[Phil]

KO. r/w.

KQJxxx AKxx xx x.

3♣ - 3♠ - pass - 3N;
pass - ?

[nige1]

Phil, on 2015-September-10, 19:54, said:

KO. r/w. ♠ K Q J x x x ♥ A K x x ♦ x x ♣ x.
3♣ - 3♠ - pass - 3N;
pass - ?

I rank

• 4♥. Esp if 4♣ would show 5+ 5+ in Ms.
• 4♠. A 6-1 or 6-2 fit usually plays better than a 4-2 or 4-3.
• Pass. Protects partner's ♣s

[karlson]

4♥ seems normal to me. Did we miss an easy slam?

[phil_20686]

karlson, on 2015-September-10, 21:40, said:

4♥ seems normal to me. Did we miss an easy slam?

Much depends on your agreements about 4C here. Much also depends for your agreements on strength for micheals originally. We are limited by failure to double first, so I would not use it for slam going here given the choice, but more doubt about strain. Then 4h direct would be 5-5 hearts, and 4c followed by 4h suggests 4h and longer spades.

[billw55]

Agree to show hearts by agreed method. I could hardly construct a hand that looks more suit-oriented. Partner should know to correct back with 23 in majors.

[phil_20686]

billw55, on 2015-September-11, 07:23, said:

Partner should know to correct back with 23 in majors.

Does this mean that you have to pass 3N with 55 here?

[billw55]

phil_20686, on 2015-September-11, 08:26, said:

Does this mean that you have to pass 3N with 55 here?

No. It just means that, lacking methods to distinguish exact shape, you might end up playing a 52 fit when 53 is available. Would this be worse than playing in 3NT? Hard to say. Also partner knows that michaels was not used. This increases the odds of 64 shape, as some 55 and 65 hands are excluded.

[Phil]

I reasoned the same as Phil except I actually held a hand I posted on BW: Kqj8x qj98x jx k. Unfortunately partner corrected with T Ax KT9XX Qxxxx.

But the story had a happy ending. Lho had A9xxxx xxx aqxx and didn't x. Win 12 lol.

[phil_20686]

billw55, on 2015-September-11, 08:48, said:

No. It just means that, lacking methods to distinguish exact shape, you might end up playing a 52 fit when 53 is available. Would this be worse than playing in 3NT? Hard to say. Also partner knows that michaels was not used. This increases the odds of 64 shape, as some 55 and 65 hands are excluded.

Sure But if those were my constraints of no discussion I would assume that 4H showed 55 and with 6-4 you just rebid your 6 card suit and live with it.