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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-February-26, 18:11

♠KJ93
♥A95
♦AJ63
♣74


all vul, IMPs

(1♦)- 4 ♥ -(pass)-pass
(5♦)-pass-(pass)-??
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Posted 2013-February-26, 19:23

X, I do not expect partner to have a lot of side strength to make 5H
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Posted 2013-February-26, 22:28

 Charlie Yu, on 2013-February-26, 19:23, said:

X, I do not expect partner to have a lot of side strength to make 5H


That's what I was thinking too. Take the money. If partner has enough to make 5♥, you're going to get rich defending 10♦.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 02:15

I'm not bidding 5♥, because it's unlikely to make, and we have hopes of beating 5♦.

The phrase "take the money" seems optimistic - 5♦ could be cold. However, it's more likely to go down than not, it will sometimes go two down, and they're not redoubling. Hence I double.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 02:28

If I give them a likely heart void somewhere, 5 ♦ won't get us rich, it will often make. If I let them lead a diamond- not unlikely, we may even make 5 ♥.
But I would still double...


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Posted 2013-February-27, 02:35

I pass. If I am doubling here, I am only increasing the probability that declarer will make 5♦. If I pass, he might play my partner for some of the high cards that I have.

Let's look at the potential gains and losses for doubling:

To win
I may turn:
+100 into +200 (win 3 IMPs)
+200 into +500 (win 7 IMPs)

Equal
I may turn +200 (5♦-2) into +200 (5♦X-1)

To lose
I may turn
-600 into -750 (lose 4 IMPs)
+100 into -750 (lose 13 IMPs)

IMO, it pays to look bored and pass.

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Posted 2013-February-27, 06:03

With ♦ this good, Pass seems best. I would expect to make 500 or 800, a good score at IMPs. Is 6♥ making ? Unlikely IMO as partner would need very good cards in ♠ and ♣ .
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Posted 2013-February-27, 06:08

 Trinidad, on 2013-February-27, 02:35, said:

I pass. If I am doubling here, I am only increasing the probability that declarer will make 5♦.

I'd usually agree with that attitude, but looking at this hand it's hard to see how the double might help declarer. He's going to play me for ♦J and the spade honours regardless of whether I double, and he's not going to have sufficient entries for a trump coup.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 13:20

 Fluffy, on 2013-February-26, 18:11, said:

♠KJ93
♥A95
♦AJ63
♣74


all vul, IMPs

(1♦)- 4 ♥ -(pass)-pass
(5♦)-pass-(pass)-??

Pass. Partner is presumably short in diamonds; he'd need something like Qxx KQJxxxxx x x to make 5H; we are not at all sure of setting 5♦, nor does a two-trick set seem likely; sacrificing could easily be a phantom. Trust that partner made them guess, don't take the last guess yourself.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 15:53

double swing was looming here


I though partner was mostly at fault but I see I was biased. Maybe my 4♥ bid was bad. Thanks for the answers.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 02:57

 Fluffy, on 2013-February-27, 15:53, said:

I though partner was mostly at fault but I see I was biased. Maybe my 4♥ bid was bad. Thanks for the answers.

In this type of situation it's right to bid on surprisingly often. I've just been surprised again.

I think your 4♥ bid was fine.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 03:56

Don't like 4H with that hand. Either 2♦ and rebid whatever hearts, or 3♥ then rebid 4♠. 4♥ is like a blind shot - you could win big but this time you lose.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 06:48

At the moment you decided to bid 4 ♥, you decided to conceal the nature of your hand. Backfired this time, will often succeed. I think it was no good idea. With say 1705 it had been much better, but here with no possibility to show your second suit ever...


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Posted 2013-February-28, 06:51

4H is auto
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Posted 2013-February-28, 06:54

 MickyB, on 2013-February-28, 06:51, said:

4H is auto

Yes

I would definitely not have doubled, but I might have passed which isn't a whole lot better. Maybe it's just right to bid I don't know.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 12:43

 Charlie Yu, on 2013-February-28, 03:56, said:

Don't like 4H with that hand. Either 2♦ and rebid whatever hearts, or 3♥ then rebid 4♠. 4♥ is like a blind shot - you could win big but this time you lose.

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