[Hilver]

Teams
All white

In first seat You hold:
S A J 8 6
H 9 6
D A Q 6
C Q 8 5 3

You play a Big Club.
The bidding, uncontested bidding:
You partner
1D* - 1H
1S - 2H**
?

1D = 2+ card diamonds, 10-15 HCP, no 5-card M or 6-card clubs
2H = 6+-card hearts, 10-11 HCP

What will be Your next bid, and most of all why?
1. Pass
2. 3C = help suit trial, game try
3. 3H = game invite
4. 4H

Thx
Jan

[ArtK78]

This hand is about as borderline a game try as they come. Since you are not vul, I would say it is 50-50 between passing and inviting game.

I like your aces in the pointed suits, but your small doubleton trump support and weak clubs are negatives.

If I am going to invite, I would bid 3♣ as a help-suit game try.

P.S. I take you at your word as to the meaning of 2♥, but what would you do with 6-9 HCP and 6 or more hearts as responder?

[billw55]

Also possible is 2NT invite. I will try that, but not with any great confidence that it is right.

edit: hmm, not sure this helps much .. like Art says, it is really close.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-28, 09:37, said:

P.S. I take you at your word as to the meaning of 2♥, but what would you do with 6-9 HCP and 6 or more hearts as responder?

Good question.

I would take 2H as the 6-9 weaker hand and 3H-jump as OP's 10-11 hand ... but then I don't play the 'Big Club' .

[Zelandakh]

I think it is clear that the weak hand with long hearts is bid with a jump on the first round, either a direct 2♥ or some gadget. In any case, this 10-11 range seems to me to be chosen specifically that it is going to be passed opposite 11-13 balanced with a doubleton heart. If the hand is worth game opposite this kind of hand then I am confident the system would have a better bid for it. On top of that we are not vulnerable. I think the odds that making a try lead to a negative are way above the possibility of game. OK, significantly less so on a forum hand (else why post it?) but in the real world.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Zelandakh, on 2013-February-28, 10:07, said:

I think it is clear that the weak hand with long hearts is bid with a jump on the first round, either a direct 2♥ or some gadget.

Wouldn't a direct WJS of 2H be less than 6 hcp ?
1D - 2H

[ArtK78]

Zelandakh, on 2013-February-28, 10:07, said:

I think it is clear that the weak hand with long hearts is bid with a jump on the first round, either a direct 2♥ or some gadget. In any case, this 10-11 range seems to me to be chosen specifically that it is going to be passed opposite 11-13 balanced with a doubleton heart. If the hand is worth game opposite this kind of hand then I am confident the system would have a better bid for it. On top of that we are not vulnerable. I think the odds that making a try lead to a negative are way above the possibility of game. OK, significantly less so on a forum hand (else why post it?) but in the real world.

OP stated that the opening bid was 10-15 HCP, not 11-15. So 13 HCP is significantly above a minimum opening. To extrapolate from Z's argument, perhaps the 10-11 range was chosen specifically so that opener could pass with 10-12 HCP and a doubleton heart. Clearly, opener would accept with 14-15 HCP and a doubleton heart. A 13 HCP opening bid seems to get caught betwixt and between, even more so with this particular 13 HCP opening which has useful aspects and not-so-useful aspects.

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-February-28, 10:19, said:

Wouldn't a direct WJS of 2H be less than 6 hcp ?
1D - 2H

We will have to wait for the OP to clarify how hands with 6-9 HCP and hands with less than 6 HCP are handled in this system.

[Free]

Imo this is a clear pass.

[lesh]

I think it might be useful to add 2♠ art - asking for shortage, now none/low/middle/high, or 2sp art and now 2nt looking for something in spades, 3cl/3di the same.

Otherwise as I dont play 2he as inv 10-11, I would bid game opposite 3he inv 10-12 so the same principle apply here at least for me

[lalldonn]

Easy pass IMO. We have 23-24, I have xx in support and scattered values, and we have a chance to stop at the 2 level when others might be higher.

[FrancesHinden]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-February-28, 10:19, said:

Wouldn't a direct WJS of 2H be less than 6 hcp ?
1D - 2H

Not if they have agreed it to be 6-9. There's no rule saying how you must play 1D- 2H.
(We play it as about 4-8)

[Hilver]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-28, 09:37, said:

P.S. I take you at your word as to the meaning of 2♥, but what would you do with 6-9 HCP and 6 or more hearts as responder?

With 6-card ♥ and 4-9 HCP responder jumps to 2♥.

Jan

[Hilver]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-28, 11:13, said:

OP stated that the opening bid was 10-15 HCP, not 11-15. So 13 HCP is significantly above a minimum opening. To extrapolate from Z's argument, perhaps the 10-11 range was chosen specifically so that opener could pass with 10-12 HCP and a doubleton heart. Clearly, opener would accept with 14-15 HCP and a doubleton heart. A 13 HCP opening bid seems to get caught betwixt and between, even more so with this particular 13 HCP opening which has useful aspects and not-so-useful aspects.

That's exactly the reason why in the auction 1♦-1♥;1X-2♥ = 10-11 HCP and 6+-card ♥.

Jan

[PhilKing]

Pass NV. 2NT vul. Our best chance of game is probably 3NT unless pard has extra shape.