[Lord Molyb]

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Accidentally pulling the 2♥ call instead of 2♦ at matchpoints. What now?

[wank]

6D - it needs to be something dramatic to stop partner bidding hearts again.

[billw55]

I will try a double, if partner takes it as penalty we might land on our feet.

[mcphee]

Wank do you plan on pulling 6H to 7D or 6NT? Maybe, just maybe we can wiggle out of this playing NT. I sure hope if I try 3N correcting my slight under bid partner will pass. If he bids 4H I will correct again to 4N. All you can really do after blowing this board is hope you do not blow a bundle of imps. It would be wonderful news if 6D goes down and I can make 3N or 4NT.

[Codo]

Unluckily most partners won't understand your 3 NT and 4 NT bids. Some will insist on hearts.

But 6 ♦ is still a huge bid. I try X and 3 NT over the obvious 3 ♥ from partner.

[iviehoff]

mcphee, on 2013-February-26, 07:36, said:

Wank do you plan on pulling 6H to 7D or 6NT? Maybe, just maybe we can wiggle out of this playing NT. I sure hope if I try 3N correcting my slight under bid partner will pass. If he bids 4H I will correct again to 4N. All you can really do after blowing this board is hope you do not blow a bundle of imps. It would be wonderful news if 6D goes down and I can make 3N or 4NT.

Won't it be rather difficult to persuade partner that 4N isn't Blackwood when you supported hearts earlier? Of course partner will be a bit confused as to why you now apparently have enough to enquire about slam when earlier you could only raise 1 to 2. But since you first bid an impossible 3N and that didn't shut him up, he's already got used to the idea you have a lot more than you promised to start with.

It's quite an interesting case because of hte light it sheds on some other legal cases. Often a player makes an "impossible bid" after previously misexplaining or misalerting one of partner's bids, thus partner has unauthorised information (UI) as to what is going on. Often people then say "but it is an impossible bid so the UI told me the same as the auction, so I know it anyway." But here we see a player considering making an impossible bid not from a misunderstanding, but because of an earlier mistake, thus demonstrating that earlier mistakes are also a possible reason for "impossible" bids.

As to the actual bidding problem, I don't think there is a reliable way of stopping partner from repeating hearts short of calling 7N. I think the first attempt might be "pass": partner might still continue bidding hearts, but he at least have plausible options to pass or double, so that seems to have some higher probability of avoiding ending up in a high heart contract.

[aguahombre]

I see a theme similar to the thread where pard raised 1H to 2H and then launched Kickback.

Agree again with Wank that 6D is the way to unring the bell, hoping for the Meta to kick in about "when partner leaps to slam, pass."

[ggwhiz]

aguahombre, on 2013-February-26, 10:13, said:

I see a theme similar to the thread where pard raised 1H to 2H and then launched Kickback.

Yeah and my position is to stay out of committee but not the loony bin.

I'm tempted to go straight to 6nt to hide my ass....ets.

If rho plays like I do that a double just requests a non-spade lead good luck to figuring out that it's for a heart or the end game if diamonds run.

[Fluffy]

3♦, 5♦ next over 3♥, partner should understand

[dustinst22]

question regarding this --- if you catch your mistake (bidding 2H) before the next opponent has taken action, can you "undo" the action by saying it was a mechanical error (grabbing the incorrect card accidentally)?

Had this come up at the regional last weekend, and someone mentioned you could do this.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do here. I think the only action I can take that partner wont correct back to hearts is 6NT lol (would he really bid 7H over that?). So I guess I'd bid that. Maybe better is blackwood then correct to a NT slam. What are my ethical obligations (if there are any)?

[ArtK78]

dustinst22, on 2013-February-26, 13:45, said:

question regarding this --- if you catch your mistake (bidding 2H) before the next opponent has taken action, can you "undo" the action by saying it was a mechanical error (grabbing the incorrect card accidentally)?

Had this come up at the regional last weekend, and someone mentioned you could do this.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do here. I think the only action I can take that partner wont correct back to hearts is 6NT lol (would he really bid 7H over that?). So I guess I'd bid that.

It is my understanding that a mechanical error (pulling the wrong bid card) can be corrected before the next player takes an action. In fact, it might be correctable even later (perhaps after a pass by LHO but before partner acts), but I am less sure of this.

[Phil]

mcphee, on 2013-February-26, 07:36, said:

Wank do you plan on pulling 6H to 7D or 6NT? Maybe, just maybe we can wiggle out of this playing NT. I sure hope if I try 3N correcting my slight under bid partner will pass. If he bids 4H I will correct again to 4N. All you can really do after blowing this board is hope you do not blow a bundle of imps. It would be wonderful news if 6D goes down and I can make 3N or 4NT.

This sounds nice in practice, but partner isn't passing 3N since you will trigger his flight mechanism.

6♦ sounds really sensible to me. If partner bids 6♥ this is a wtp 6N bid.

[JLOGIC]

Wow you guys give partner no credit lol. He is gonna pass 3N or 5D or 6D, the question is just which of those to guess to bid. I'd go 3N.

[aguahombre]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-26, 13:56, said:

It is my understanding that a mechanical error (pulling the wrong bid card) can be corrected before the next player takes an action. In fact, it might be correctable even later (perhaps after a pass by LHO but before partner acts), but I am less sure of this.

Let's assume OP knew that.

[ggwhiz]

JLOGIC, on 2013-February-26, 15:07, said:

Wow you guys give partner no credit lol. He is gonna pass 3N or 5D or 6D, the question is just which of those to guess to bid. I'd go 3N.

I didn't go all bizzaro (albeit by accident) to aim for an average. A sense of justice says bottom but I laugh at fate, ha ha! and go for the top.

This auction has no legs in the bar if it ends in a par contract.

[iviehoff]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-26, 13:56, said:

It is my understanding that a mechanical error (pulling the wrong bid card) can be corrected before the next player takes an action. In fact, it might be correctable even later (perhaps after a pass by LHO but before partner acts), but I am less sure of this.

A mechanical error or other unintended bid can be corrected until partner calls, but you must begin your attempt to correct it immediately you become aware of it. Calling the director, or saying "that's not what I thought I pulled out", is an appropriate method of beginning your attempt to correct it. If you were perfectly aware you were bidding 2H at the time you bid 2H, that is not a mechanical error or unintended bid, it is a mistake, and is not capable of correction. If your LHO has already called (or for that matter, a call out of turn by your RHO) after your unintended bid, then they get to withdraw their call for free after you have changed yours, and knowledge of the withdrawn call is unauthorised to you, but authorised to them.

[Vampyr]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-26, 13:56, said:

It is my understanding that a mechanical error (pulling the wrong bid card) can be corrected before the next player takes an action. In fact, it might be correctable even later (perhaps after a pass by LHO but before partner acts), but I am less sure of this.

This is really LOL. If you do not have a Lawbook, and do not know how to access one online, why answer? Do you feel that your thoughts on the matter are more helpful than the published law dealing with the matter?

[Vampyr]

iviehoff, on 2013-February-27, 02:21, said:

A mechanical error or other unintended bid can be corrected until partner calls, but you must begin your attempt to correct it immediately you become aware of it. Calling the director, or saying "that's not what I thought I pulled out", is an appropriate method of beginning your attempt to correct it. If you were perfectly aware you were bidding 2H at the time you bid 2H, that is not a mechanical error or unintended bid, it is a mistake, and is not capable of correction. If your LHO has already called (or for that matter, a call out of turn by your RHO) after your unintended bid, then they get to withdraw their call for free after you have changed yours, and knowledge of the withdrawn call is unauthorised to you, but authorised to them.

It is worth noting that it doesn't matter how you found out that you made an unintended bid; it is permitted for partner's alert, lack of alert, or explanation to wake you up.

[Zelandakh]

iviehoff, on 2013-February-27, 02:21, said:

A mechanical error or other unintended bid can be corrected until partner calls, but you must begin your attempt to correct it immediately you become aware of it. Calling the director, or saying "that's not what I thought I pulled out", is an appropriate method of beginning your attempt to correct it.

Are you sure about this ivie? I think calling the Director is always an appropriate way of dealing with an irregularity. Is this not precisely what David preaches over and over in the Laws section? I would feel pretty peeved if you felt this violated my 9B1c rights. Exactly what is wrong with saying: "I would like to change my unintended call and therefore we need the TD." Do you really expect the players, who may not know what is or is not a legal change of call, to handle this without the TD?

[aguahombre]

For some reason, I thought that since this thread wasn't in the Laws section and the given auction had long passed the correction point, people wouldn't feel it necessary to introduce or discuss that aspect. Silly me.

Legally trying to extricate one's self from a prior boo boo has always been interesting to me --having seen some clever attempts (successful and unsuccessful) over the years.