Checking that I'm not the crazy one
#21
Posted 2012-November-29, 11:21
I told him that if you make slam tries hoping partner has the perfect maximum, you will get to many bad slams as a result, since your range for slam tries is widened.
I didn't convince him.
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#23
Posted 2012-November-29, 12:17
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#24
Posted 2012-November-29, 14:37
- hrothgar
#25
Posted 2012-November-29, 14:50
MrAce, on 2012-November-28, 12:48, said:
I think PhilKing has been remarkably polite to you. You are the one who is showing your ignorance if you think we all "know very well" that double shows the pointed suits or that it might have 3 hearts not strong enough to double in the first place, because it's not what it means when I double. I play double specifically as 3-suited with short hearts and sound opening values, as do a lot of other people. You want to play it differently, good for you.
#26
Posted 2012-November-29, 14:51
PhilKing, on 2012-November-29, 11:49, said:
It gets better. He suggested that the 2♥ bidder could have xxx AKxx x AKxxx
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#27
Posted 2012-November-29, 14:56
Obviously his real hand was silly. As are the comments that this is the wrong forum for this hand.
- billw55
#28
Posted 2012-November-29, 19:34
#29
Posted 2012-November-30, 00:44
PhilKing, on 2012-November-29, 11:49, said:
I guess I am crazy as well.
#30
Posted 2012-November-30, 01:28
FrancesHinden, on 2012-November-29, 14:50, said:
Sorry, i have to reply to this nonsense.
And what difference does it make if opponents play just like you (and me), 3 suited take-out ? At best it supports me, not the slam ambition, since you will be giving a heart and a club or two if doubler has 3 suit take out, with the hand Phil contructed (Jxx Axx void AKxxxx). You can't even see this eventhough i explained it previously, and yet giving lectures about ignorance ?
I am so sorry that PhilKing dissapointed you for being polite to me.
@PhilKing : You are a great player man, i think i mentioned that before too, but i disagreed with you on this hand, if you think i hurt your feelings the way i wrote my replies, you can curse at me or do something that will make Frances happy, i will still respect you and your bridge. If it was not someone who i think is a decent player, that made the slam suggestion, i probably wouldn't even reply.
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#31
Posted 2012-November-30, 01:39
#32
Posted 2012-November-30, 02:12
KnR says this hand worths 17.30 points, and KnR doesn't even know yet that we have a ♥ fit!!!
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#33
Posted 2012-November-30, 02:16
mikestar13, on 2012-November-30, 01:39, said:
Actually what PhilKing constructed was a perfect minimum (regarding the hcps)
xxx Axx x AKxxxx
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#35
Posted 2012-November-30, 04:16
akwoo, on 2012-November-30, 03:20, said:
if you're playing a 12-14 1n opening.
No, i that case the hand would have been opened 1NT.
2H is perfectly normal on this hand. You can be top of the range sometimes for your simple raises.
#36
Posted 2012-November-30, 04:27
Edit: just noticed the forum - perhaps I should not mention MLTC here.
#37
Posted 2012-November-30, 05:14
But I can't think of anything polite to say about the raise to 2♥. If their partner also uses WMWPC (wooden Milton Work point-count), they could stop in 2♥ with play for six clubs:
♠Axx ♥Jxxxx ♦x ♣Qxxx
and game is cold opposite:
♠Qxx ♥xxxxx ♦Q ♣xxxx
The opponents failure to bid marks them both with balanced eleven-counts. And that's not even cherry-picking - partner has two wasted queens.
#38
Posted 2012-November-30, 05:39
Zelandakh, on 2012-November-30, 04:27, said:
No, he means that playing a 12-14 notrump, 1♣-1♥;2♥ is often a strong notrump with 4-card support, so xx AKxx xx AKxxx would be in range for this sequence. This makes perfect sense if you live in a country where Kaplan-Sheinwold's influence is strong, but rather less if you come from Acol-land.
#39
Posted 2012-November-30, 05:58
"2♥ is the normal bid with this hand... if you are playing a 12-14 NT"
"No, in that case the hand would have opened 1NT"
You are correct that this makes no sense to me, coming as I do from Acol-land. How can "in that case", referring to "if you are playing a 12-14 NT" mean a strong NT? That is quite aside from the logic of what is actually being discussed. Is the range of a 2♥ raise really from 10 points and some shape all the way to 17 points (semi-)balanced? Could we not use a 3♦ rebid to cover some of those to allow Responder to stop in 2♥ once in a while? I guess I need to read up on K-S one day.
#40
Posted 2012-November-30, 06:21
mikeh: did you seriously "seriously consider" 3H? Surely no one does that stuff in real life.....
jdonn: Are you seriously bidding 3S? should that not be like "I would usually like to be in slam if you have no wasted spade hands". How is partner meant to guess that xxx Kxxx KQx AQx is not even good enough to risk 5H, and that is max for a 2H bid. If they bid 4S partner will surely drive you to the five level with a bunch of hands now. Sure, it would nice to be able to show a raise that is only interested in game, and wants to set up a FP over 4S, but I do not have a convenient bid for that in my arsenal. If I thought about it, I would probably used 3N for that.
Other Slam triers: LOL? Ok, i realise that slam can be cold if partner has xxx AKxx x KQJxx, and that this is not a totally unlikely scenario, but don't we bid 3H with that now? If partner has only three hearts, slam can be bad even if he has prime cards, like xxxx AKx x AQxxx, Surely he will drive a slam with this monster, and it looks incresibly likely that you will have two club losers now. All I see from a slam try is a lot of pain at the five level, when partner cannot believe quite how much we don't have our bid...... Perhaps, if you have the system where you can find out partner has singleton diamond, and then make a mild slam try, but all of these hands give partner only four cards in the point suits, which added to our three, gives them 19 cards, and rho didnt make a one level overcall, so they all need lho to have a very poor looking 65 hand, in which case, how I am I making any finesses?