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Rebid for 3316 19hcp after 1C-1H Nothing fits

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Posted 2011-October-18, 23:24



What the bleep do I bid now?

A good partner I haven't played much with suggested a jump-shift to 2♠. I would assume that shows 4, but even so, is that maybe the least bad lie here?
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Posted 2011-October-19, 01:24

If you don't have tools to handle the hand of death, then you're stuck with creativity. 2♠ may work, but could also turn into a disaster if partner holds a 4 card ♠. ;)
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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:08

2S looks good.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:20

2S, we might encounter problems if partner is 4-4 in the majors, but I still think it's a better bid than 2D which just seems misdescriptive. Of course artificial methods would help here.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:31

3♦/4♦, according to agreement, will avoid you playing in spades when hearts are better, but will also probably lock you into hearts when NT might be better.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 05:55

Natural 2NT buries clubs, but avoids problems if partner has 4♠, sometimes your hand it is too good for 2NT, but the stiff queen ain't that great anyway. I think I'd bid 2♠ with this collection, but 2NT is a close second.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 07:04

View Postbd71, on 2011-October-18, 23:24, said:



What the bleep do I bid now?


2S! as a GF gadget ( Sp may be artificial ) over 1H responses ( as suggested by gnasher awhile back but doesn't claim credit for originality ):

1C - 1H
2S! - 2NT! ( asks )
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.. 3C = long Cl; Sp was artificial
.. 3D! = ( other minor ) 4 cards Sp
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Posted 2011-October-19, 08:13

Hand calls for creativity.

There are several options:
3♣: IMO hand is too strong for 3♣ - though you may want to overlook ur stiff Q♦.
4♦: Only 3card-support, but very good ones.
2NT: stiff Q is disturbing
2♠: Only 3cards

This hand is like "democracy": It is a bad political system, but the best out of the bad ones.

I prefer 2♠.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 09:07

I used to play that 3♦ shows exactly this shape and range but not in my current partnership.
Similarly, 3♠ would show the 1-3-3-6 hand.

Today I bid 2♠ and if we land in the 4-3 it will be at least playable and may be the best spot, ie opposite ♠KQxx, ♥Qxxx, ♦Jxx, ♣Jx for all the MP's
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Posted 2011-October-19, 10:05

For those bidding 2♠, how will you respond to partner's 3♠?
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Posted 2011-October-19, 11:29

View Postbd71, on 2011-October-19, 10:05, said:

For those bidding 2♠, how will you respond to partner's 3♠?


4♣ and hope to land in a 5-3 ♥ fit if there is one.

Oops, on 2nd thought, 4♥ and let pard pick. She might take the 1st one for a slam try in spades period.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 13:30

I'd bid 2NT.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 13:46

Ugly situation; if prd would not pass to 3 ♣( as s/he shld not do) that would be best. 4♥ would require 1 more card in ♥. 2♠ is dangerous because its higher suit than ♥ and we could be moysian in 4 level and have 5-3 ♥ as a side suit. 2Nt with singleton Q is also unatractive bid, prd raises to 3 Nt 3532 hand.
Im not saying 2 ♦ is clearly a best bid, but lets hope prd wont pass it and turns out to have a 5 card ♥ suit. If s/he bids 3 Nt to 2 ♦ u can always bid 4♥.
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Posted 2011-October-19, 14:14

View Postbd71, on 2011-October-19, 10:05, said:

For those bidding 2♠, how will you respond to partner's 3♠?

More to the point, is partner prohibited from bidding 4♠?
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Posted 2011-October-20, 09:16

Over 3S I bid 4H, over 4S I pass. This seems clear.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-October-20, 09:35

Gnasher and his teammates seem to have these problems well in hand... here is the "Scoltock Adjunct":

2♦ artificial, 2♥ asks, after which:

2♠ = 2♦ was a natural reverse
2NT= " with spade stopper
3♣ = 6-3 in ♣ and ♥
3♦ = not sure; maybe natural reverse with more shape
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Posted 2011-October-20, 10:48

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-19, 05:20, said:

(...) Of course artificial methods would help here.


How about natural ones?

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Posted 2011-October-20, 12:11

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-October-20, 10:48, said:

How about natural ones?

2C 2D
3C

You play a natural 2C?
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Posted 2011-October-21, 04:34

View Postgordontd, on 2011-October-20, 12:11, said:

You play a natural 2C?

I do...but this hand does not qualify.

1C - 1D; 1H - 1S; 2C - 2H; 3C would be ok though. Opener shows 18-20 with clubs, Responder <9 with hearts. Easy game...
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Posted 2011-October-21, 10:24

I usually bid 1S as one round forcing here and 2S as C one suiter 6+C, 16+, 3C shows invitational value with strong clubs. I think that's the easiest treatment here.

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What the bleep do I bid now?

A good partner I haven't played much with suggested a jump-shift to 2♠. I would assume that shows 4, but even so, is that maybe the least bad lie here?

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