[jdonn]

titi38, on Feb 18 2010, 11:12 AM, said:

titi38, on Feb 17 2010, 08:54 AM, said:

Hi,

It seems to me that we can play 3 rounds of  ♣ in hand, keeping the king as entry, and a small ♥ to the 10. Now, East has to give me the 9th trick (at least).
What's wrong with this line?

Regards,
TS

> He wins whichever heart honor you play and returns a small Spade.
> You win and lead to the other heart honor.

No, i don't win. I play a small ♠ from my hand. Now, if west play the Queen, the Jack of ♠ is my 9th trick. And if West play small, the Jack of ♠ is also my 9th trick. In either case, i have no entry problem. For example, suppose West win the ♠ switch with the Queen and lead another ♥. I win with the Ace, play a small ♠ to the J (or ♣ to the K ) and after this i return in hand with my third ♠ (or K of ♣ to the Ace) and i'm OK : 3♠, 5♣ and 1 ♥.


Regards,
TS

PS : apologies if i'm not clear because of my english but i really don't see the problem with this line of play.

Nor do I, it's a much simpler solution than the intended one though probably not as nifty.

[Fluffy]

the problem is you forgot to play at trick 1

EDIT: nonsense, I thoguh we were forced to discard at trick one somehow

[PFormaini]

titi38, on Feb 18 2010, 11:12 AM, said:

titi38, on Feb 17 2010, 08:54 AM, said:

Hi,

It seems to me that we can play 3 rounds of  ♣ in hand, keeping the king as entry, and a small ♥ to the 10. Now, East has to give me the 9th trick (at least).
What's wrong with this line?

Regards,
TS

> He wins whichever heart honor you play and returns a small Spade.
> You win and lead to the other heart honor.

No, i don't win. I play a small ♠ from my hand. Now, if west play the Queen, the Jack of ♠ is my 9th trick. And if West play small, the Jack of ♠ is also my 9th trick. In either case, i have no entry problem. For example, suppose West win the ♠ switch with the Queen and lead another ♥. I win with the Ace, play a small ♠ to the J (or ♣ to the K ) and after this i return in hand with my third ♠ (or K of ♣ to the Ace) and i'm OK : 3♠, 5♣ and 1 ♥.


Regards,
TS

PS : apologies if i'm not clear because of my english but i really don't see the problem with this line of play.

No, it isn't - since you have not established any Diamonds yet.

E-W can establish 4 tricks in the majors before you can knock out the Diamond Ace.

There is ALWAYS some combination of major suit honor placements that can defeat you. You CANNOT make the contract by merely cashing 3 clubs and then trying to force an entry to dummy.

Your line of play will FAIL given my set-up. Your spade entry coes too late, since the opponents set up and cash 3 hearts and a spade (or 2 spades and 2 hearts) to go along with their Diamond Ace - which you have not driven out.

[PFormaini]

Old York, on Feb 18 2010, 12:05 PM, said:

"If EAST ever wins a trick, they return a small spade"

"3 rounds of CLUBS and then a HEART is not good enough, since any continuation can be defeated if the cards lie badly"


After cashing 3 clubs in hand, lead Heart to Queen or Ten, East is endplayed in 3 suits after winning ♥King or ♥Jack and must give dummy the 9th trick

3NT by North seems to be a better contract. Any non-club lead gives 9 or ten tricks (maybe 11)

1♣-3NT 

Tony

No, he is NOT endplayed. He wins the heart and returns a SPADE. IF you duck it (establishing the JACK as a dummy entry), West wins and returns a second heart. West - with an original holding of K-J-10-X - forces out your Ace of hearts and now holds 2 heart winners AND THE DIAMOND ACE (which you seem to forget is still at large, you having failed to establish ANY diamonds winners yet.)

1 SPADE, 3 HEARTS - 1 DIAMOND. 5 tricks. DOWN ONE.

You CANNOT fail to establish your diamond tricks and make 3NT - and you have to waste a dummy entry to establish them.

But the act of establishing them without trowing a CLUB WINNER from your hand destroys any chance of forcing a later entry to dummy - as the original problem demonstrated.

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Scoring: IMP

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[jdonn]

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