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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2012-December-28, 15:39

xxx J109xxxx Kx x

pairs

1D by partner, pass, your bid

2H would be a WJS
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Posted 2012-December-28, 15:47

View Postrduran1216, on 2012-December-28, 15:39, said:

xxx J109xxxx Kx x

pairs

1D by partner, pass, your bid

2H would be a WJS

If 2H is a WJS I do not understand your problem.

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Posted 2012-December-28, 17:17

View Postrhm, on 2012-December-28, 15:47, said:

If 2H is a WJS I do not understand your problem.

Rainer Herrmann


And if you're not playing WJS's I still don't understand the problem.
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Posted 2012-December-28, 17:52

3h
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Posted 2012-December-28, 18:19

3h if its wjs, 2h otherwise
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Posted 2012-December-28, 22:18

3 would be a splinter for me and just about all good players in this neck of the woods.

Looks like a 1 bid if WJS isn't available, otherwise a routine 2.

I know: in all the books, the WJS is set at 6 cards and the suit is better. The books always show the perfect hand, but life seldom deals it to us, so we learn to cope.
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Posted 2012-December-28, 22:25

2. Lol again at the forum this is in.
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Posted 2012-December-28, 22:43

View PostPhil, on 2012-December-28, 22:25, said:

2. Lol again at the forum this is in.

Maybe because everyone doesn't share the same agreements and style.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 09:39

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-December-28, 22:43, said:

Maybe because everyone doesn't share the same agreements and style.


Still, I think this would be better posted elsewhere.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 14:02

I'd bid 3h w/r, I don't think it's such a crazy problem to post
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Posted 2012-December-29, 14:06

View Postmikeh, on 2012-December-28, 22:18, said:

3 would be a splinter for me and just about all good players in this neck of the woods.

Looks like a 1 bid if WJS isn't available, otherwise a routine 2.

I know: in all the books, the WJS is set at 6 cards and the suit is better. The books always show the perfect hand, but life seldom deals it to us, so we learn to cope.


There is that, most experts I talk bridge with play it as preemptive but this could just be group think or regional. I prefer weak a lot if you can show shortness after making your forcing raise in a minor, I guess if you play 3maj as a splinter you can split up the ranges or differentiate between void? I like to just be able to bid 3x when I have a reasonable 7 card suit personally.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 15:22

I play splinter but I've started to think it's not as useful as natural. For one thing you lose a lot of your potential splinters by bidding a four card major instead. And of course when I play precision it's never a splinter.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 17:10

I wouldn't bid 3 even if I could. Holding three spades there's less reason to preempt, and partner won't be expecting such a poor suit.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 20:23

3H would not be a splinter for me, as it would show a 3244 shape. There is little point in splintering over a minor - consider how rare it is not to have a 4 card Major!!
I would bid 2H with this playing wjs which which I do not. 1H otherwise.
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Posted 2012-December-31, 03:58

2H?

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Posted 2012-December-31, 05:15

I think it is obvious that 3 is not an option, OP said 2 would be wjs and this tells me he would have told us if 3 was also a wjs. Otoh, i think it is useful to see comments from good players about which one they prefer and why as a side note.

Back to the answer to this topic, i think first 2 posters said it all.

Classic Rduran topic in this forum. It is like "you are starving to death in the middle of desert, you have a great meal available in your backpack, what would you do ? " he believes it requires an expert view to figure whether he should eat the meal or the sand, while some posters, imo rightly, thinks anyone with basic primal instincts will know what to do and that you don't needs a rocket scientist to get right answer.

But i give him the benefit of doubt, since he asked this, it may not be as obvious as it is to him. Or may be he forgot to ask "the methods of others" and asked it as what we would do with what is available to us. Whatever....
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