[mgoetze]

In 4th seat, you hold ♠109xx ♥x ♦AQ9xx ♣Qxx. LHO opens the bidding with 1♣, partner doubles, RHO passes.

Question 1: What do you bid?

Say you bid 1♦ (as I did at the table), and partner rebids 1♥.

Question 2: What did partner show and how do you continue? Which bids are forcing?

[menggq]

"In 4th seat, you hold ♠109xx ♥x ♦AQ9xx ♣Qxx. LHO opens the bidding with 1♣, partner doubles, RHO passes."

1C X P ?

1.1♦ was underbid.If u think ♦ suit sd be showed first time bid 2♦.In my opinion i wd
bid 2♠ which means ♠4+ and 8-10hcp probably.
2.1C X P 1D
P 1H P ?
for this bidding sequence,DBL and then 1H promised extra 17+hcp but not very strong enough otherwise sd cue bid
2C.I guess you hv a game contract,may 4S?3N?5D?...
1D wrong bid showed 7-hcp and denied any majors.how can make forcing bid again?If u hold really forcing hand
first round cue bid 2C to establish forcing.

[aguahombre]

2. two-parts:

Pard is too strong to overcall 1H, but the bid is not forcing and probably only has 5 in the suit. With 6+, he might well have jumped to 2H, although this depends on what your partnership's agreements on "too strong to overcall". Mine is 18+.

Apparently with values just short of a stronger advance (properly discounting the club queen), your plan when you bid 1D was to later bid the spade suit if there was more competition. I think if you bid 1S now, partner should pretty much figure out your size and shape.

This leads back to question #1. The 1D advance might not have been the choice of others, but it surely worked out well this time.

[karlson]

I bid 1♠ the first time. If partner is of the school that requires 16hcp to raise 1♠ to 2♠ then I guess you have to bid 2♠ the first time.

Among other benefits, bidding spades first lets you bid 3♦ over 3♣ should they eventually compete to that level. Certainly 1♦ works out well though when partner has the heart hand as he did here.

Having bid 1♦ the first time, I would think 1♠ now should be forcing just based on general principles, but I admit I don't really know what kind of hand it should show. A very weak 4-4 is possible I guess, so maybe it should be NF. It's hard to imagine that there is no safe spot above 1♠ though.

[gwnn]

2♠ for me, seems just about right.

[1eyedjack]

1♦ for me. I don't expect the auction to die (at least if we have a game on), and I don't expect the Spades to be buried.

[Hanoi5]

1♠ for me.

[Fluffy]

aguahombre, on 2011-May-20, 04:00, said:

your plan when you bid 1D was to later bid the spade suit if there was more competition. I think if you bid 1S now, partner should pretty much figure out your size and shape.

1♠? We have GF values!!, I think 2♠ now is very obvious (and we still have to catch up because we could have less for that bid). 1♠ looks like....

♠xxxx
♥-
♦Jxxxxx
♣xx


I agree with you that the 1♦ bid has worked out pretty nicelly.

[Gerben42]

I would start with 2♦. First of all, it is probably our best fit. Second, if I bid ♠ first and opponents have a good ♥ fit, they can more easily double ♠ (not having ♦ is not so important) than ♦ (not having ♠ is a big issue)

Now that partner bids a new suit (♥) we are in a GF situation and I finish my hand description with 2♠.

I believe in bidding what I have. It makes partner's decisions easier.

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on 2011-May-20, 07:03, said:

1♠? We have GF values!!, I think 2♠ now is very obvious (and we still have to catch up because we could have less for that bid). 1♠ looks like....

♠xxxx
♥-
♦Jxxxxx
♣xx


I agree with you that the 1♦ bid has worked out pretty nicelly.

Yes, if I have only one bid, and only 12 cards, I would bid the major first. But your extreme example might make me rethink that idea.

The inference from not bidding 1S first is what creates the knowlege I have about 6-8.

[mgoetze]

It seems everyone agrees that 1♥ shows 17+. At the table, I wasn't sure whether it mightn't be, say, a 4423 with 14-16 points. After all, 2♥ is not that high to have to jump with a truly strong hand.

Anyway, I bid 1♠, hoping that partner, like karlson, would think it forcing. Partner passed with his AKxx AKxx Kxx xx, and I made 3 overtricks. Partner believed that I had absolutely denied 8 HCP and should start with 2♦. I thought he might have bid 2♠ anyway...

[aguahombre]

2C on the 2nd round by the doubler is reasonable. 1H is horrible. Even a 1NT overcall, which is barely tolerable, would result in a spade game via stayman.

[pooltuna]

You need a clearly defined bidding structure for you responses to a TOX and for the rebids by the TOX hand. To play a 1♥ rebid by the TOX hand as 17+ strikes me as counterproductive as nonjump responses to a TOX have the widest spread of values. It is probably better to allow it to be slightly stronger than a minimal opener.

[han]

I would bid 1S over the double.

1H shows 17+.

Having bid 1D initially, 2S now looks good.