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my pard say pass in expert consensus i disagree

#1 User is offline   tkass 

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Posted 2011-May-25, 15:16

you are red, they are white we play mp

you are the dealer

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Posted 2011-May-25, 15:22

Well, I would pass.

You have 10 hcp, which is less than the normal total to open. In compensation, you have some distribution. This hand seems to be pretty borderline between 1♥ and pass, and certainly I could see people going either way.

The problem is that if you open 1♥, you don't have a good rebid to partner's 1NT. You are much to weak to rebid 2♠ (which is a reverse), so you will probably be stuck bidding this horrible heart suit for a second time. That's unlikely to be a success.

If you had the same high card strength with better hearts (i.e. AQxx AT87xx xxx -), or if your cards were rearranged such that you can bid a second suit without distorting the hand (Axx Txxxxx AQ8x -) then opening looks good.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 15:33

It fits the Rule of 20, and the Rule of 22, but it's still a bit of a stretch for me.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 15:44

I would open. I have nice shape, both majors, and great controls.

(Strangest format for a hand yet).
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Posted 2011-May-25, 16:03

I would be extremely surprised if it was not "expert consensus" to open 1H, though it is difficult to prove what is or isn't expert consensus.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 16:05

View Postawm, on 2011-May-25, 15:22, said:

The problem is that if you open 1♥, you don't have a good rebid to partner's 1NT. You are much to weak to rebid 2♠ (which is a reverse), so you will probably be stuck bidding this horrible heart suit for a second time. That's unlikely to be a success.


I vote for the 2♦ rebid. ;)
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Posted 2011-May-25, 16:12

1h then 2h over 1nt

no problem yet.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 16:47

1♥
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Posted 2011-May-25, 17:50

I would open 1♥. It is somewhat close for me but I would be surprised if there is an "expert consensus" for passing because I think my standards for opening are a bit higher than most other people.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 18:08

I am surprised that a 1H opening on this hand is not unanimous.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 19:52

pass
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Posted 2011-May-25, 20:56

I'd open 1♥ and rebid 2♦ over 1 NT.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 22:31

I open 1H and expect partner to bid 1S (4+ spades!) or raise hearts (3+ hearts!), or make a game forcing bid (lho didn't bid and we have 10 points) in which case I can bid 2S and not have to misdescribe my shape, or for the opponents to bid and I won't have to distort my shape. You guys are so negative! If I knew it was going to go 1H p 1N p I might consider not opening I guess.
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Posted 2011-May-26, 02:32

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-May-25, 22:31, said:

I open 1H and expect partner to bid 1S (4+ spades!) or raise hearts (3+ hearts!), or make a game forcing bid (lho didn't bid and we have 10 points) in which case I can bid 2S and not have to misdescribe my shape, or for the opponents to bid and I won't have to distort my shape. You guys are so negative! If I knew it was going to go 1H p 1N p I might consider not opening I guess.


I think i shd have made it clear that my 2♦ rebid will be only over 1 NT response. (fixed it) I play 1♥--2x--2♠ does not promise extras.
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Posted 2011-May-26, 02:40

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Posted 2011-May-26, 02:51

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Posted 2011-May-26, 04:32

View Posttkass, on 2011-May-25, 15:16, said:

you are red, they are white we play mp

you are the dealer

sp Aq8x
he 10 7 xxxx
di axx





well, I sure prefer a 1♥ opening to pass.
If P doesn't bid S, you always have more or less OK 2♥ rebid.
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Posted 2011-May-26, 06:38

I believe there is no such thing as an expert consensus. But what do I know? I am no expert... BTW I open 1♥ and I will rebid 2♥ over partners 1nt or 2♣.

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Posted 2011-May-26, 08:25

I open 1♥ without a worry.
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Posted 2011-May-26, 08:33

I have no real problem with a 1♥ opening call but I would prefer to back in to this auction so I am inclined to pass initially
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