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#1 User is offline   pooltuna 

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Posted 2010-November-13, 21:43

Team game
All Red
In third seat you pickup your hand
K86432
void
KQ82
AK2

A real beauty but then the bidding starts
2 (P) ?

an easy call ...no?
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Posted 2010-November-13, 22:13

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Posted 2010-November-13, 23:03

2S. Partner bids his feature with S:Hx, else cheaper of 2N, 3H.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 23:20

I pass, i am pretty pesimistic when in misfit and have bad texture in my own suit, i know we can miss game, but i will take the risk. If pd is opening weak 2 in 1st seat like i do, i will be fine with pass i think.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 09:14

I put this dummy and wish partner good luck.

4 when partner has 2 cards will be very awful contract
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Posted 2010-November-14, 10:10

Easy pass for me, because our 2 level preempts can be really weak.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 10:15

Depends on partner. With most partners I would pass. There is a couple people I would bid 2 with though. In general though, we need an awful lot from partner to have a decent chance at game.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 10:32

I still hate to pass, I'm going to try 2N Ogust.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 10:43

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-November-14, 10:15, said:

In general though, we need an awful lot from partner to have a decent chance at game.

A75/QJT987/43/43 is alot? at Game All? The problem is the safety of the 3 level when partner does not have the right hand rather than partner not being able to have enough. I think I would still bid 2S but the risk certianly makes Pass a LA. I do not think we should be preempting on rubbish at these colours as dealer (as some have suggested they do).
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Posted 2010-November-14, 11:08

View Postpooltuna, on 2010-November-13, 21:43, said:

Team game
All Red
In third seat you pickup your hand
K86432
void
KQ82
AK2

A real beauty but then the bidding starts
2 (P) ?

an easy call ...no?


A bit too good to pass.

2 and hope pd doesnt bid 3

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Posted 2010-November-14, 11:10

2. Nonforcing but raisable with fit. Perfect.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 13:03

Pass. Opposite x-KQJ10xx-xxx-xxx 4S has zero chance.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 13:39

View Postmfa1010, on 2010-November-14, 11:10, said:

2. Nonforcing but raisable with fit. Perfect.


Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2 call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.

I'm with mtvesuvius on this one, it very much depends on partner's preemptive tendencies.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 13:42

2 with most people, but definitely pass if I'm playing with matmat
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Posted 2010-November-14, 13:43

View Postpeachy, on 2010-November-14, 13:03, said:

Pass. Opposite x-KQJ10xx-xxx-xxx 4S has zero chance.


Yes, but 3 probably still has good odds of making and we will stop there after partner's rebid.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 14:22

View Postjillybean, on 2010-November-14, 10:32, said:

I still hate to pass, I'm going to try 2N Ogust.

What contract are you trying to reach jilly?
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Posted 2010-November-14, 14:27

View Postmatmat, on 2010-November-14, 13:39, said:

Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2 call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.



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Posted 2010-November-14, 15:37

I would pass and hope we dont go down in 2 :D
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Posted 2010-November-14, 15:52

View Postpooltuna, on 2010-November-13, 21:43, said:

Team game. All Red. Third seat K86432 - KQ82 AK2
2 (P) ?
IMO 2 = 10, _P = 5, 2N = 2.
We would open 2 with, eg Axx QJxxxx Jx xx
And, for us, 2 is F1.
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Posted 2010-November-14, 16:19

View Postmatmat, on 2010-November-14, 13:39, said:

Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2 call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.


What a shame. Fortunately my regular partners all have better memories than that... :D

I much prefer a NF treatment, which I have been playing for many years.

As it is so often the case, when playing something as NF, it enables us to get our suits in more often. Partner is in principle pretty well defined, so there is plenty of time to make delicate choice of games decisions later without having a forcing 2 available.
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