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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:10



Auction

1S p 2D p
?


playing 2/1, whats the rebid here with this hand?
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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:12

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View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:13

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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:14

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No problem, you are in a gf auction.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:18

This is the beauty of 2/1. You don't have to go blasting around, for fear pard will pass. 2S is fine, even though it doesn't really say anything about your hand.

You can find out what partner's plan is. It would be nice to know whether 2D guarantees more than 4 of them, though.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:22

well your partner is an unknown.

partner's hand a 2254 14 count.

without giving you partner's holding

1S p 2D p
2S p ?

what's your call now.

The HCP are spread out in all suits
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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:29

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 12:22 PM, said:

well your partner is an unknown. 

partner's hand a 2254 14 count.

without giving you partner's holding

1S p 2D p
2S p ?

what's your call now.

The HCP are spread out in all suits

partner rebids 3, and you probably rebid 3, though 3 has some merit as well.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 13:57

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 07:22 PM, said:

well your partner is an unknown.

partner's hand a 2254 14 count.

without giving you partner's holding

1S p 2D p
2S p ?

what's your call now.

The HCP are spread out in all suits

partner rebids 2N and you rebid 3D. nice auction so far.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 14:05

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 02:10 PM, said:



Auction

1S p 2D p
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playing 2/1, whats the rebid here with this hand?

2s no problem yet.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 14:07

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 02:22 PM, said:

well your partner is an unknown. 

partner's hand a 2254 14 count.

without giving you partner's holding

1S p 2D p
2S p ?

what's your call now.

The HCP are spread out in all suits

if 2s promises 6 then 3s..slam try now if not then 2nt now.

Some prefer that 3s immed.raise always promises 3 not matter what 2s rebid shows..many different styles here
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Posted 2010-August-08, 22:09

So your partner bids 3S over 2S, now you bid 4C, and partner bids 4D, so you bid 4H and partner bids 6S

partner's hand

Qx
QJ
AQ10xx
Kxxx
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Posted 2010-August-08, 22:24

How good the slam is depends on who really has the diamond ten.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 23:12

my apologies, partner has

Qx
QJ
AQ9xx
Kxxx
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Posted 2010-August-08, 23:18

3S.

Given that I have a 7 card suit, headed by AK, I will make clear, that we play my suit.
As it is, playing with a stranger, 2S may not even be a 6 card suit.

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Posted 2010-August-08, 23:19

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 02:22 PM, said:

well your partner is an unknown. 

partner's hand a 2254 14 count.

without giving you partner's holding

1S p 2D p
2S p ?

what's your call now.

The HCP are spread out in all suits

It is either 2NT or 3C, depends on the quality of the club suit.
After having seen partners hand, I would go with 2NT.

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Posted 2010-August-09, 00:46

I'd say the bidding should go:

1-2
2-3
3-3
4-4
4-6

Where 3 shows 2 cards and 4 is a cue-bid agreeing spades as trumps. I'm not so sure about the continuation, but that's ok.

Also, I agree with the waterman about the T situation.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-August-09, 00:59

2S would probably be mainstream but I don't like it. You would make the same bid with Qxxxx-AKx-xxx-Kx as you would with this, a much more powerful hand and suit. I play the variant where 1S-2D-3S shows a good 6+ card suit (does not say "solid") and slight extras like 15+ so I would bid 3S. Any thought of a diamond raise at this early time is silly.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 02:08

peachy, on Aug 9 2010, 02:59 AM, said:

2S would probably be mainstream but I don't like it. You would make the same bid with Qxxxx-AKx-xxx-Kx as you would with this, a much more powerful hand and suit. I play the variant where 1S-2D-3S shows a good 6+ card suit (does not say "solid") and slight extras like 15+ so I would bid 3S. Any thought of a diamond raise at this early time is silly.

Isn't that the idea of having a catch-all? Here's a hand where you can't be sure of the right denomination so you just temporarily bid 2, waiting for partner to clear out what he has, what's partner to do with:

Q
xx(x)
AKQxx(x)
KJxx(x)

over 3? Isn't the slam better? Isn't 2 a better path to it?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-August-09, 11:02

rduran1216, on Aug 8 2010, 11:09 PM, said:

So your partner bids 3S over 2S, now you bid 4C, and partner bids 4D, so you bid 4H and partner bids 6S

partner's hand

Qx
QJ
AQ10xx
Kxxx

Did I misunderstand the auction? Partner game-forced and then raised spades and has only a quacky 14-count with 2-card support. Why did partner bid 6S?

Anyway, I guess 2S is right with opener's hand - you don't want to set trump when partner could have a small singleton spade and a good diamond suit. Partner should then bid 2N and now if opener bids 4C what is that?
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Posted 2010-August-09, 11:31

our actual auction was

1S p 2D p
3S p 4NT p
5D p 5NT p
6H p 6S p
7S


when my partner moved over 3S, I was sure she had the A of clubs and AK diamonds, probably honor 3rd and didn't bid 7 because of the A of clubs.

I got lucky and it rolled, but I wonder how many would bid 7S over 6S in this sequence.
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