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Preempt?

Poll: Preempt? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Preempt?

  1. Yes (15 votes [51.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.72%

  2. No (14 votes [48.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.28%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-June-20, 01:00

IMPs, Red vs White, Second Seat

♠Kx ♥QJT7532 ♦x ♣Jxx

(1♠) - ?
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Posted 2008-June-20, 01:01

no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 01:42

Given the vulnerability, we are red, they are green,
I say No, change the vulnerability and I may change
my vote.

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Posted 2008-June-20, 02:47

Under these conditions, the suit quality isn't good enough for me. Put me down for a no.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 04:00

Yes. There's not much point in agreeing to play weak jump overcalls at adverse if you're not going to do it on this. I wouldn't do it at matchpoints though.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-20, 04:06

Agree with Gnasher, -500 vs 420/450 is scary at matchpoints but at IMPs I would go for it.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 04:18

Yes, 3♥ for me.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 04:38

shocking...gnasher and 655321 will preempt :)

I do not understand the comment "if you won't do it on this hand you shouldn't play the convention" though.. it's not like this is a very remarkable hand. I don't think that we have to bid on the premise that a 3H r/w bid should be a frequent occurance.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 05:16

Take away the seventh heart and I might have to think a bit ...
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Posted 2008-June-20, 06:01

I don't even have a preempt here. I mean, 3♥ would be intermediate for me.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 06:10

gnasher, on Jun 20 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

Yes. There's not much point in agreeing to play weak jump overcalls at adverse if you're not going to do it on this. I wouldn't do it at matchpoints though.

Well, I wouldn't pre-empt red/white.

I understand your point - but then you can always agree to play something else for 3 level jumps red/white.

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Posted 2008-June-20, 07:48

Why not 3H here?
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Posted 2008-June-20, 08:04

Close for me. I like my ♠K and stiff diamond to keep potential damage down.

I think it would vary on my mood. But yesterday I preempted at the 2-level with KJ9-seventh red so I'm just not feelin' it right now.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 08:07

3♥, regardless of scoring.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 08:46

Yes
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Posted 2008-June-20, 09:23

andy_h, on Jun 20 2008, 10:47 AM, said:

Under these conditions, the suit quality isn't good enough for me. Put me down for a no.

As I see it, suit-quality is almost perfect.

Good for taking tricks, highly unlikely to be worth a trick on defence.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 10:50

Jlall, on Jun 20 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

shocking...gnasher and 655321 will preempt :lol:

I do not understand the comment "if you won't do it on this hand you shouldn't play the convention" though.. it's not like this is a very remarkable hand. I don't think that we have to bid on the premise that a 3H r/w bid should be a frequent occurance.

Whatever happened to the fearlessness of youth? When I was your age I'd have been in there with one fewer heart than this.

Using 3♥ as a preempt has a cost: we're not using it for constructive purposes. If we don't use it enough to get value for money, we should switch to intermediate jump overcalls.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-20, 10:59

gnasher, on Jun 20 2008, 05:50 PM, said:

If we don't use it enough to get value for money, we should switch to intermediate jump overcalls.

I don't get intermediate jump overcalls at the 3 level. A non-jump overcall at the 2-level already shows those values. I suppose strong jump overcalls would be handy when they came up.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 11:04

I would open this hand 3♥ at these colors, but to overcall 3♥ Red vs White I want a somewhat better suit, noting that my overcall may do absolutely nothing to keep the opps out of game since they've opened 1♠.
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Posted 2008-June-20, 11:59

How many of the people who arent preempting would do it if a small heart were instead the ♥9
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