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Why can GIB open 3S

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Posted 2023-March-04, 05:32

Second hand in a recent Solitaire tournament but GIB couldn't open the hand as 3S. Any ideas?
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Posted 2023-March-04, 14:12

It's a known gap in GIB's database. It used to open this 3♠, but BBO changed the logic for preempts in 2017 to be "much more in line with what most bridge players would expect" [sic ;)]

In doing so, they introduced a gap where it won't bid 3♠ here due to it having 10 HCP, but also independently fails its original rules for opening at the 1 level which require more total points (it thinks it has 11, since it adds one for the diamond doubleton only; it requires 13 to open a 10 HCP hand 1♠).
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Posted 2023-March-05, 16:43

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-March-04, 14:12, said:

It's a known gap in GIB's database. It used to open this 3♠, but BBO changed the logic for preempts in 2017 to be "much more in line with what most bridge players would expect" [sic ;)]

In doing so, they introduced a gap where it won't bid 3♠ here due to it having 10 HCP, but also independently fails its original rules for opening at the 1 level which require more total points (it thinks it has 11, since it adds one for the diamond doubleton only; it requires 13 to open a 10 HCP hand 1♠).


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Posted 2023-March-05, 18:59

Not 100% sure what you mean, if you're asking about the value of Jx, its formula for total points is HCP + 1 per doubleton, 2 per singleton, 3 per void, minus 1 for each short suit containing an honor. So you can say it adds an extra point for Jx and Kx, but subtracts them both off again.
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Posted 2023-March-06, 16:30

I was thinking about Jdonn, who I understood was responsible for the 2016-17 "improvement" of GiB (my apologies to him if not).
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