[jillybean]

We had some very interesting hands from a session in a Sectional today, here's one of them.

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[LBengtsson]

It is a unhealthy monster with a stiff and doubleton honors: Pass at red/white seems best.

[nullve]

jillybean, on 2022-November-18, 19:44, said:

We had some very interesting hands from a session in a Sectional today, here's one of them.

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X

Takeout in principle, although partner will apply LoTT and usually pass, even at this vulnerability.

[mw64ahw]

Having the overcall structure available shows 5+♣4♥ unlimited so my preference to the X

[Cyberyeti]

LBengtsson, on 2022-November-18, 19:58, said:

It is a unhealthy monster with a stiff and doubleton honors: Pass at red/white seems best.

I would have devalued it first time and overcalled 2♣, not even maximum in our style

[jillybean]

I'd call this a monster. (and would have opened South's hand 1♠)

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1♠:2♣ gf clubs or balanced
2♥:3♥
4♣:rkc
5♠:6♥

Partner may be a little worried until he sees dummy.

[DavidKok]

South has a clear opening. Even if you decide to pass that hand (I'd consider it if you stole one of my aces, but not before that) you have to bid over 5♦. Too bad you don't get to show both suits, get in there and pick one.

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2022-November-19, 08:07, said:

South has a clear opening. Even if you decide to pass that hand (I'd consider it if you stole one of my aces, but not before that) you have to bid over 5♦. Too bad you don't get to show both suits, get in there and pick one.

I'd have opened it too

1♠-2♣(not GF)
2♥-3♦(4SF GF)
3♥-4♣(agrees ♥ cue)
4♦-4♠(Kickback)

and on to 6♥

[DavidKok]

And all the auction requires is for opponents to not intervene with their 11-card diamond fit! If only my opponents were so gentle.

[ali quarg]

mw64ahw, on 2022-November-19, 01:45, said:

Having the overcall structure available 2♦ shows 5+♣4♥ unlimited so my preference to the X

[mikeh]

DavidKok, on 2022-November-19, 09:52, said:

And all the auction requires is for opponents to not intervene with their 11-card diamond fit! If only my opponents were so gentle.

Play against a pair of me’s and you’ll get a free ride. Neither W or E have any business bidding after a 1S opening by South.
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I don’t use the (imo) silly rule of 20, but the south hand has a LTC of 6 (7 is one criterion on close hands), 4 controls (3 is the criterion for close hand), three 10’s, of which two are in my long suits (10’s have value not captured by the 4321 count), and an easy rebid. Passing is losing bridge, never more evident than here.

[Cyberyeti]

DavidKok, on 2022-November-19, 09:52, said:

And all the auction requires is for opponents to not intervene with their 11-card diamond fit! If only my opponents were so gentle.

It's actually just as easy if they do: (and I know some people will hate my first call)

1♠-(2/3♦)-X-(5♦)
P-(P)-X-(P)
5♥-(P)-6♥

[AL78]

I'd have opened the South hand but I don't know why the West hand is worth opening unless they are playing some opening methods I am unfamiliar with.

[mw64ahw]

AL78, on 2022-November-19, 11:39, said:

I'd have opened the South hand but I don't know why the West hand is worth opening unless they are playing some opening methods I am unfamiliar with.

Ditto on opening, but if you,d open an equivalent Major hand in 3rd seat, why not a 5 card minor. Perhaps 2♦ is also an option.

[pescetom]

mikeh, on 2022-November-19, 10:17, said:

Neither N or S have any business bidding after a 1S opening by South.

Get well soon, Mike

[jillybean]

mikeh, on 2022-November-19, 10:17, said:

Play against a pair of me’s and you’ll get a free ride. Neither N or S have any business bidding after a 1S opening by South.

I don’t use the (imo) silly rule of 20, but the south hand has a LTC of 6 (7 is one criterion on close hands), 4 controls (3 is the criterion for close hand), three 10’s, of which two are in my long suits (10’s have value not captured by the 4321 count), and an easy rebid. Passing is losing bridge, never more evident than here.

I'd open this hand but I don't apply LTC nor rules of 20 however I should start using LTC to help tighten up my sometimes very marginal openers.
How , if at all, does LTC change in 3rd seat NV? For instance, West's hand opened 1♦ is too light even for me.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 12:25, said:

I'd open this hand but I don't apply LTC nor rules of 20 however I should start using LTC to help tighten up my sometimes very marginal openers.
How , if at all, does LTC change in 3rd seat NV? For instance, West's hand opened 1♦ is too light even for me.

Semi psychic very light openers in third seat have been around for a long time, you want to indicate a lead and get out of the way, just do it

We'd have open a weak 2♦, but since they banned our style of weak 2s it's 1 or pass now.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-November-19, 12:56, said:

Semi psychic very light openers in third seat have been around for a long time, you want to indicate a lead and get out of the way, just do it

We'd have open a weak 2♦, but since they banned our style of weak 2s it's 1 or pass now.

Who banned your style of weak2's ? Just do it, half the people won't be aware of the rule and the other 2/3 won't call the director.

I am aware of 3rd seat semi psyches. One of my partners has a comment in our system notes on my 1C 3rd seat opening with T64 87 T54 AQJT3
I'm asking what does LTC say about 3rd seat openings.

[AL78]

mw64ahw, on 2022-November-19, 11:50, said:

Ditto on opening, but if you,d open an equivalent Major hand in 3rd seat, why not a 5 card minor. Perhaps 2♦ is also an option.

I wouldn't. I don't play 2/1 so what do I do if partner responds 2♣?

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 13:10, said:

I am aware of 3rd seat semi psyches. One of my partners has a comment in our system notes on my 1C 3rd seat opening with T64 87 T54 AQJT3

Assuming your partner had not already made the note (kudos) then it was a full psyche in my eyes.