[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 13:10, said:

Who banned your style of weak2's ?

The EBU, we used to open them on 4+ cards, from discussion on bridgewinners, they did it accidentally to get rid of 2♦ 4+♦/4+M weak

[jillybean]

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Would you call this a fielded physc, psychic control?

[mikeh]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 14:16, said:

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Would you call this a fielded physc, psychic control?

If this was online, I’d call it a data point and would report it, being careful only to say that ‘this hand strikes me as suspicious’ .

If in real life, I’m willing to bet that south took more than the usual 10 seconds over 5D. If so, I’d call the cops before the opening lead.

It is an horrendous call….just awful. Now, very bad bridge works once in a while and one instance is of little probative value. However, if advancer broke tempo, no way would this stand…if the TD polled anyone with any understanding of the game.

There is nothing ‘psychic about this….merely either unethical behaviour or extremely bad bridge that got lucky. I’d not convict anyone of anything underhanded without more examples, but I’d roll it back to whatever the worst logical outcome would be, if there had been any BIT….given what we’ve seen here, that is defending 5D undoubled or bidding 5S.giv en that 5S makes, even on two rounds of diamonds, I’d vote for defending 5D as the appropriate result.

[jillybean]

6♣ is insane. I was actually meaning, pescetom, if you consider 1♣, in 3rd seat on T64 87 T54 AQJT3 a full psyche.
Do you consider East's pass of 6♣ a fielded psyche?

[mikeh]

Kxxx xxx AJxxx x white v red in third chair is not, imo, a psyche. We may be arguing semantics but to me it’s just a very light opening bid. It has support for either major (we pass 1H or 1S), and we have roughly two defensive tricks, three controls, a suit we’re happy to have led or raised, and a LTC of 8, one less than the usual shapely minimum.

Take away the spade King, and I’d see it as a psyche

As for 5D, no way is that fielding a psyche.it’s exerting maximal pressure. What? You’d rather guess over 4M?

[jillybean]

East's pass over 6♣ ?

[mikeh]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 14:49, said:

East's pass over 6♣ ?

Rule number one of preempting: don’t make the last guess.

5D showed (roughly) my hand. At least 6 diamonds, often more, shape and zero defence

What do you think your partner thinks you have? He thinks you have 6+ diamonds, some shape no zero defence

What do you think your partner has? You have little idea. He does…he’s looking at it.

Who is in the better position to know what to do?

He is.

Now, will/should he bid over 6C?

I wouldn’t at mps. It’s tougher at imps.

If there was a BIT, I earlier said I’d call the cops before the opening lead but, upon reflection, I think one has to call earlier.

Say 6C makes, as it does due to the truly extraordinary dummy. If there was a BIT then it can’t stand.

One of the most unpleasant aspects of bridge is that, far too often, players like the NS pair here, if there was a BIT, claim either that there wasn’t one or that ‘I didn’t notice it’.

That’s why, in serious competition, anytime there’s a BIT followed by a pass, it’s prudent to ask the opps to confirm that a BIT occurred. Obviously there no need against people you trust. Plus in really serious competition there may be a monitor (vugraph sometimes) or video….I had a TD call against me in a GNT playoff when my LHO accused me of a long BIT…only after he got a bad result. Fortunately the video showed I bid in normal tempo.

But if there was a BIT, then I wouldn’t trust these opps at ll.bidding 6C then is disgusting, imo.

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 14:36, said:

6♣ is insane. I was actually meaning, pescetom, if you consider 1♣, in 3rd seat on T64 87 T54 AQJT3 a full psyche.
Do you consider East's pass of 6♣ a fielded psyche?

No. I consider the former a full psyche and the latter not a psyche but the ugly mess that mikeh well describes.
And I wish that as club TD I had the video recording we had at Salsomaggiore.

[jillybean]

The only BIT was by North before 6♣card went down.

Was the video recording put to use at the World Youth Champs? Wouldn't they have screens?

edit
I should add, there was really nothing nefarious going on here. Inexperience on North's part and perhaps a little influence of knowing that partner is known to pass hands that warrant a bid.

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 15:58, said:

Was the video recording put to use at the World Youth Champs? Wouldn't they have screens?

Not sure, but I expect yes.
It was in use - together with screens - at the Worlds (Bermuda Bowl and lesser tournaments).
Obviously it makes even more sense when we try to play bridge without screens.

[jillybean]

AL78, on 2022-November-19, 13:38, said:

I wouldn't. I don't play 2/1 so what do I do if partner responds 2♣?

I think this got lost.
Assuming you opened 1♠, you just bid the hand, 2♥

[helene_t]

I wouldn't be too worried about a BIT by South. It would suggest double rather than 6♣. Double might lead to a 6♦ bid by South and then they end in 6♥.

Hanlon's razor doesn't always apply but I think it does here.

[Douglas43]

I've no problem with West's opening, my card says third hand opening may be light, I want a diamond lead, and I can cope with most responses (only 2♣ is squeaky-bum time). North - South's bidding is beyond my understanding. Even if South passes initially, 5♥ or even 6♦ second time, pick a major, seems normal?

[nullve]

Douglas43, on 2022-November-20, 03:57, said:

I've no problem with West's opening, my card says third hand opening may be light, I want a diamond lead, and I can cope with most responses (only 2♣ is squeaky-bum time).

This has also been standard bridge for 80+ years.

[jillybean]

nullve, on 2022-November-20, 08:03, said:

This has also been standard bridge for 80+ years.

lol which planet are you from?

[jillybean]

nullve, on 2022-November-20, 08:03, said:

This has also been standard bridge for 80+ years.

lol which planet are you from?

[helene_t]

jillybean, on 2022-November-19, 14:36, said:

Do you consider East's pass of 6♣ a fielded psyche?

On the contrary - if East knew that West was likely to be subminimal, they might take the sac. Pass gives partner the option to double if they have a real opening.