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Posted 2020-November-14, 02:19

3♠: "Unbalanced -- 4+ ♠; 5-7 total points"
What does that mean?
Well, I've come a long way in six months. At least I knew to bid 4♥.
All the same, though I think the robots might be psyching. I made 4♥+2, 21 people made 4♥+1 and 12 made 4♥=. Same bidding, Same lead.
What's going on?

What shape does East have for it's 'unbalanced bid'?
What will you do to make 12 tricks for 100%?
Is 12 even possible on the lead?
♣Q led.

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Posted 2020-November-14, 04:47

View Postpilowsky, on 2020-November-14, 02:19, said:

3♠: "Unbalanced -- 4+ ♠; 5-7 total points"
What does that mean?
Well, I've come a long way in six months. At least I knew to bid 4♥.
All the same, though I think the robots might be psyching. I made 4♥+2, 21 people made 4♥+1 and 12 made 4♥=. Same bidding, Same lead.
What's going on?

What shape does East have for it's 'unbalanced bid'?
What will you do to make 12 tricks for 100%?
Is 12 even possible on the lead?
♣Q led.



East probably has a void, singleton or maybe a doubleton and a weak hand, and is bidding to the level of the trump fit. Standard strategy in competitive auctions. Why would that be a psyche?

12 tricks are only possible if you can pick up the hearts for no losers and the clubs break nicely (i.e. a favourable layout, which you seem to get often going by the last of your threads I looked at). Win lead in hand, heart to the jack, if it holds, cash ace,everyone follows, ♣J everyone follows, heart to king, trumps now drawn, run clubs throwing spade losers, knock out ♦A, claim.
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Posted 2020-November-14, 14:41

View PostAL78, on 2020-November-14, 04:47, said:

East probably has a void, singleton or maybe a doubleton and a weak hand, and is bidding to the level of the trump fit. Standard strategy in competitive auctions. Why would that be a psyche?

12 tricks are only possible if you can pick up the hearts for no losers and the clubs break nicely (i.e. a favourable layout, which you seem to get often going by the last of your threads I looked at). Win lead in hand, heart to the jack, if it holds, cash ace,everyone follows, ♣J everyone follows, heart to king, trumps now drawn, run clubs throwing spade losers, knock out ♦A, claim.


So, just to be clear.
You think that East has one of the following three hand types:
  • A void e.g. 5440 or 6430 accounting for about 2.5% of all shapes
  • A singleton e.g 5431 (my personal favourite) accounting for 13.1% of all hand shapes
  • A doubleton e.g 4432 or 5332 accounting for 37.1% of all shapes.


But definitely not a 4333 (10.5%).
You may be on to something. Posted Image.
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Posted 2020-November-14, 17:02

View Postpilowsky, on 2020-November-14, 14:41, said:

So, just to be clear.
You think that East has one of the following three hand types:
  • A void e.g. 5440 or 6430 accounting for about 2.5% of all shapes
  • A singleton e.g 5431 (my personal favourite) accounting for 13.1% of all hand shapes
  • A doubleton e.g 4432 or 5332 accounting for 37.1% of all shapes.


But definitely not a 4333 (10.5%).
You may be on to something. Posted Image.


Normally 5332 and 4432 are considered balanced, 5422 is not.
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Posted 2020-November-14, 17:24

I just had a brain scan (20 minutes ago) to see if I have a hole in my head. The results aren't back yet. But as it stands, on the whole, I agree.
After I played the hand, and took 12 tricks, I assumed that I would get a zero which is what generally happens when I make 4♥+2 because it implies that I should have been in 6♥ like all the clever people.
That's what surprised me about this hand. After I played it and made it, I thought that it was rather straightforward. Which probably suggests that I found the right line by accident.
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Posted 2020-November-15, 07:38

View Postpilowsky, on 2020-November-14, 14:41, said:

So, just to be clear.
You think that East has one of the following three hand types:
  • A void e.g. 5440 or 6430 accounting for about 2.5% of all shapes
  • A singleton e.g 5431 (my personal favourite) accounting for 13.1% of all hand shapes
  • A doubleton e.g 4432 or 5332 accounting for 37.1% of all shapes.


But definitely not a 4333 (10.5%).
You may be on to something. Posted Image.


I wouldn't pre-emptively raise partner's overcall with four card support on a 4333 shape at red. That is being too aggressive IMO, and is asking for -200.
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Posted 2020-November-15, 08:13

View Postpilowsky, on 2020-November-14, 17:24, said:

I just had a brain scan (20 minutes ago) to see if I have a hole in my head. The results aren't back yet. But as it stands, on the whole, I agree.
After I played the hand, and took 12 tricks, I assumed that I would get a zero which is what generally happens when I make 4♥+2 because it implies that I should have been in 6♥ like all the clever people.
That's what surprised me about this hand. After I played it and made it, I thought that it was rather straightforward. Which probably suggests that I found the right line by accident.


Well all the clever people in 6♥ get 2 aces cashed against them, 4+2 is usually OK in those circumstances
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Posted 2020-November-15, 23:43

Pilowsky '3♠: "Unbalanced -- 4+ ♠; 5-7 total points" What does that mean? Well, I've come a long way in six months. At least I knew to bid 4♥. All the same, though I think the robots might be psyching. I made 4♥+2, 21 people made 4♥+1 and 12 made 4♥=. Same bidding, Same lead.What's going on? What shape does East have for it's 'unbalanced bid'? What will you do to make 12 tricks for 100%? Is 12 even possible on the lead?'
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IMO, Pilowskis right. East must have psyched to allow declarer to make 12 tricks because West has to have 2-3 ♣s and 2-3 ♥s, as in the diagram on the left.

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Posted 2020-November-16, 01:33

The perspicacious player from the polar regions north of England has pretty much nailed it.
Here's the hand as I played it.
...and here's what almost everyone else did for some reason.
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Posted 2020-November-16, 05:36

View Postpilowsky, on 2020-November-16, 01:33, said:

The perspicacious player from the polar regions north of England has pretty much nailed it.
Here's the hand as I played it.
...and here's what almost everyone else did for some reason.


If W is 5431 and E 4144 with both Qs as the stiffs they fare much better than you do I think.
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Posted 2020-November-16, 12:59

That would be terrible. I would have a heart attack if I got inverted Q-waves Posted Image.
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