[sakuragi]

You are dealer holding 3244, 18 hcp.
Bidding goes
1c (1d) P (P )
1nt (p ) 2d (p )
?

what does partner want to show?
what do you bid?

[Cyberyeti]

Partly style dependent, does 1M show 4 or 5 directly ? how light will you double 44M ?

I don't have this issue as I opened 1♦ with this shape.

[Tramticket]

Partner isn't trying to play in diamonds. Even if partner has passed with five diamonds, he wouldn't be trying to play in diamonds, knowing that they are splitting 5-0. With long diamonds and values, partner is raising NT.

So, partner is looking for a playable major. He is asking you to choose your best major in my opinion. I bid 2♠.

[wank]

should be something like 55 majors and a 0 count.

[apollo1201]

I play this sequence as transfer (like after a 1NT opening). So partner has 5+ hearts and something like 0-5 HCPs. I am basically accepting the transfer having nothing else to do and hoping I can make 8 tricks.

[apollo1201]

apollo1201, on 2017-October-03, 12:49, said:

I play this sequence as transfer (like after a 1NT opening). So partner has 5+ hearts and something like 0-5 HCPs. I am basically accepting the transfer having nothing else to do and hoping I can make 8 tricks.

[steve2005]

apollo1201, on 2017-October-03, 12:49, said:

I play this sequence as transfer (like after a 1NT opening). So partner has 5+ hearts and something like 0-5 HCPs. I am basically accepting the transfer having nothing else to do and hoping I can make 8 tricks.

Ok. How do you show a hand with 4-4 in majors with few points. you appear to be playing systems on. So would you bid 2C Stayman?
I want 2C as a spot to play.
If partner has 5H he can bid 2H, right siding is overrated. being able to get to all possible playable spots very important here where one hand is very weak,


The poll is poor it should be giving all possible choice not the one the pollster thinks applies. You didn't even give pass (not that I would pick it) if a poll pass has to be there!
My choice isn't there 2S

[rmnka447]

Look, with a hand with at least a decent 6+ and 4-4 or better in the majors, responder should make a negative double directly over the 1 ♦ overcall. With 6+ and only one 4+ major, responder could simply bid that major. It's also possible that responder would make a negative double with ♣s and a hand not quite good enough to bid 2 ♣ directly over the ♦ overcall -- something like a 9-a bad 11 count with ♣.

In this auction, 2 ♣ should show a hand that couldn't negative double with ♣ -- an 8- with ♣ length.

So, it would seem to me that the 2 ♦ bid is most likely a "pick a major" bid with a bad hand (5-) and major length that is not willing to sit for 1 NT.

I'd bid 2 ♠ and hope for the best.

[maartenxq]

apollo1201, on 2017-October-03, 12:49, said:

I play this sequence as transfer (like after a 1NT opening). So partner has 5+ hearts and something like 0-5 HCPs. I am basically accepting the transfer having nothing else to do and hoping I can make 8 tricks.

Indeed.
I do not know exact hand, but another idea would be to pass 1 diamond.
Maarten Baltussen

[The_Badger]

With a pick-up partner I would play safe and just bid 2♥. Except if you have a specific agreement about the meaning of this sequence, something advanced or experienced partnerships probably have, then there's no reason to doubt partner has anything other than a stringy ♥ suit (probably 6 cards) that he couldn't bid at the one level.

[aawk]

Playing system on you loose the chance to play at 2 level in a minor.

Playing Lebelsol or Rubensol means you loose the transfers to a major at 2 level.

Playing any other agreements will also have some setbacks.

Making a choice what agreements to make could depend on MP/IMP play or what the majority of the field does.

Playing for MPs I would play opposite the field but to be fair that will be only at a party drive for me and misleading your partner and or opponents is part of the fun that day.

Playing for IMPs I prefer Rubenlsol (so in your example 2♦ would be to play with a 5+ card ♦).

[nige1]

sakuragi, on 2017-October-03, 08:11, said:

You are dealer holding 3244, 18 hcp. Bidding goes
1c (1d) P (P )
1nt (p ) 2d (p )
?
what does partner want to show? what do you bid?

My guess is:

• If 1N had been the first natural bid by our side, then many partnerships agree "System on". Here, however, partner opened 1♣.
• If partner has Ms he might double 1♦.
• If partner has ♥s he might bid them over 1♦.
• If partner has a good hand with ♦s, he can raise notrump.
• Hence, lacking any other agreement, partner has a weak hand with ♦s and I can pass. There do seem to be lots of ♦s in this deck

[Tramticket]

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand "system-on" in this situation - it makes no sense.

What hand can partner have, given that he couldn't dredge up a response over a 1♦ bid? Partner is clearly very weak or partner holds diamonds. Even if partner holds diamonds he will never want to play in the suit (see my previous post), so let's assume partner is very weak. You have limited your hand and partner simply wants to place the contract in the best part score.
- System-on stops us ever being able to play at the two level in a minor.
- In the current example, partner will often want to play in our club suit (e.g. partner has a five-card club suit and a Yarborough).
- System-on leaves us with a redundant 2♠ bid.
- The usual advantages of transfers do not apply. (1) You can't show a weak or strong hand - you have a very weak hand. (2) You can't show a two-suited hand - you are never making a second bid.
- Change the suits and the system-on makes even less sense. E.g. 1♣, (1♠), P, (P); 1NT, (P), ? - we now have 2♣ (Stayman), 2♦ (transfer) both showing hearts but no way to play in clubs or diamonds.

The only sensible method is to play natural responses in this situation.

Based on this, I can understand Nige1 treating 2♦ as natural - I went through that thought process myself - but surely partner is passing 1NT or raising no trumps?

2♦ must show the majors. Furthermore, it is likely to be 5-5 as Wank noted. With 4-4 you are balanced and pass.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

the option other is missing.

He has diamonds, and it is to play.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 5-5 in the majors is sensible, but if partner tries this
an the table without prior discussion, it is his fault if the
whole thing explodes.

[gordontd]

P_Marlowe, on 2017-October-05, 01:46, said:

He has diamonds, and it is to play.

The diamonds are 5-5-4-0 around the table?

[sakuragi]

Thank you for the replies.
Funny that the poll does not match quite well with the replies. . Probably not enough choices there.

Partner has a weak hand with 6 hearts. At the table I thought he has that hand but I bid 2NT.

Follow up question.
Should partner bid on after 2NT? If you bid on would u choose 3D or 3H?
And the inevitable ATB?

this is the hand b17

[Tramticket]

sakuragi, on 2017-October-05, 09:14, said:

Thank you for the replies.
Funny that the poll does not match quite well with the replies. . Probably not enough choices there.

Partner has a weak hand with 6 hearts. At the table I thought he has that hand but I bid 2NT.

Follow up question.
Should partner bid on after 2NT? If you bid on would u choose 3D or 3H?
And the inevitable ATB?

this is the hand b17

Your partner should just bid 2♥, which should be to play.

[gordontd]

sakuragi, on 2017-October-05, 09:14, said:

Thank you for the replies.
Funny that the poll does not match quite well with the replies.

Opener's hand doesn't match the shape we were given either.

[rmnka447]

I agree with 2 ♥ to play here unless you've had specific agreements that NT systems are on over 1 NT in this type of auction.

Otherwise, partner might consider a weak jump shift of 2 ♥ over the 1 ♦ overcall if that is an option. Such a bid should deny a decent 5 or 6 with ♥ length.