[Shugart23]

nullve, on 2017-August-31, 16:02, said:

So 2♣ over 1♦-1M/N is currently showing the intermediate 1-suiters w/ 6+ C? Then how about

1♦ = same as now but excluding "10-15, 1-suited w/ 6+ C" and including "11-15, 3-suited w/ short C" (makes 1♦ NAT)
...1M/N = same as now
......2♣ = "11-15, 3-suited w/ short C"
......other = same as now
...other = same as now
2♣ = "11-15, 3-suited w/ C" or "10-15, 1-suited w/ 6+ C"
...2♦ = relay (same as now?)
......2♥ = "11-15, 3-suited w/ H" (as in Roman Club, but guaranteeing C)
......2♠ = "11-15, 3-suited w/ short H" (as in Roman Club)
......2N/3♣ = 1-suiters w/ 6+ C (as in one Belladonna's 1986 version of Roman Club, but with "10-15" instead of "16-19")
...(...)
other = same as now (so 3♣ is PRE)

?

Should be GCC legal.

Not too shabby.....of course solving one problem introduces another....our current responses to 2D over 2C ( 3 suited).are

2H...minimum with Hearts
2S,,,minimum, short in Hearts
2NT,3C,3D, and 3H are all maximums, submarining the shortness...

your suggestion seems workable as well and gives more to ponder.....Takk!!!

[PrecisionL]

Shugart23 said:

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Precision L...I think I have to keep a 3-suited bid somewhere playing canapé, though it seems most here might suggest opening 2D to show it..As I seem to recall...you play a canapé system ? where/how do you show the 4441 hand or some 4540 hands?

4540 hands? Open the 4-cd suit and Canape into the 5-cd suit. With 5-4 major hands do NOT Canape, bid them normally.
44(41) hands, 44 majors, open 1♥. 4144, open 1♦ (the suit under the singleton as per Goren). 1444: your choice, open 1♥ if you are comfortable rebidding 1NT with a singleton. Any particular 4441 hand only occurs 0.75 % of all distributions. Occasionally open 1♦ if ♦s are much stronger (for the lead). Rebidding a suit at the 1-level does not promise a Canape.

[Shugart23]

PrecisionL, on 2017-August-31, 22:04, said:

4540 hands? Open the 4-cd suit and Canape into the 5-cd suit. With 5-4 major hands do NOT Canape, bid them normally.

Thanks...I guess I prefer opening the 3 suited hand at the 2 level when I have 0454 or 0445 distribution, vs. canapé 1H and then rebidding the Minor....perhaps making it more difficult for the Opponents to get tp the right Spade contract