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1NT X P 2C Possible alternative meaning?

#1 User is offline   Kaitlyn S 

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Posted 2016-November-18, 10:27

1NT Double Pass 2C

1NT = strong
Double = penalty (this pair would double with a strong notrump)
Pass = undefined

Does anybody play that 2C is something other than a weak hand with long clubs?
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Posted 2016-November-18, 10:42

I've seen players play this as "system on", i.e. stayman, but I think those people are seriously misguided.
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Posted 2016-November-18, 13:49

Random scramble - usually a weak balanced hand.
This is consistent with the idea that we double a strong NT on a strong balanced hand ourselves, or one with a good suit, because we are trying to compete the partscore rather than trying to take a large penalty.
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Posted 2016-November-20, 09:51

Opposite Weak NT, this is a scramble denying BoP and a 5-card suit elsewhere. Any 2 bid shows weakness (less than BoP) and 5-cards. Pass is forcing to 2♠.

Opposite Strong NT, we play systems on so this is stayman.
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Posted 2016-November-20, 14:15

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2016-November-18, 10:27, said:

1NT Double Pass 2C
1NT = strong
Double = penalty (this pair would double with a strong notrump)
Pass = undefined
Does anybody play that 2C is something other than a weak hand with long clubs?
Traditionally, when partner penalty doubles 1N, you should pass with a flat weak hand (partner might have, for example ♠ J x ♥ A x ♦ A K Q J x x ♣ x x x),
Hence 2♣ is a ostensibly natural and weak with 5+♣s but it might be a cunning ploy with say ♠ x x ♥ x x x x x ♦ x x x x x ♣ x, intending to SOS redouble when doubled. You might develop this into an (alertable) convention e.g.
Take the double out into 2♣ and when doubled ...
  • Pass with 5+ ♣s.
  • Redouble with the red suits.
  • Bid 2♦ with the pointy suits.
  • Bid 2♥ with the majors.
Or something even more sophisticated :)
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