I recently missed a slam and kept wondering what's the right or best approach on these situations:
a.- (2♥)-4♠
b.- (3♥)-5♦
c.- 1♣-(1♠)-2♥-(3♠*)
5♣
*Pre-emptive
Page 1 of 1
Is there a standard on jumps over opp's preempts? Three situations
#1
Posted 2016-November-18, 09:46
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win
My YouTube Channel
#2
Posted 2016-November-18, 10:31
a and b are both the GOSH type. c is also one-suited but could be a little weaker and has some other additional inferences due to double here being somewhat different from the second seat auctions.
(-: Zel :-)
#3
Posted 2016-November-18, 10:40
a.- (2♥)-4♠ Very strong. Overcaller eschewed a jump to 3S which is pretty powerful, and also double followed by various spade bids.
b.- (3♥)-5♦ This time the real options were 4D or 5D or double followed by diamonds if you got the chance. I would think this is a hand that make 5D opposite something like Qxx, Qxx, xx, Kxxxx which might pass a 4D overcall.
c.- 1♣-(1♠)-2♥-(3♠*)
5♣I believe he is bidding what he thinks he can make opposite a typical minimum (or perhaps a bit better than minimum) 2H bid with a doubleton club.
*Pre-emptive
b.- (3♥)-5♦ This time the real options were 4D or 5D or double followed by diamonds if you got the chance. I would think this is a hand that make 5D opposite something like Qxx, Qxx, xx, Kxxxx which might pass a 4D overcall.
c.- 1♣-(1♠)-2♥-(3♠*)
5♣I believe he is bidding what he thinks he can make opposite a typical minimum (or perhaps a bit better than minimum) 2H bid with a doubleton club.
*Pre-emptive
#4
Posted 2016-November-18, 11:32
Kaitlyn S, on 2016-November-18, 10:40, said:
5♣I believe he is bidding what he thinks he can make opposite a typical minimum
It is not just what (s)he thinks (s)he can make but more what they do not think they can make, since they bypassed 3NT and 4♥. That makes the range of hands for 5♣ extremely limited.
(-: Zel :-)
#5
Posted 2016-November-20, 08:37
Obviously this stuff comes down to partnership understanding, but I can offer a different opinion to the previous responders.
a) Your side is blessed with plenty of room in this auction. Strong single-suiters can either start with 3S, or a double if they're based more on HCP. So by far the most useful meaning for 4S is to show a distributional hand that is afraid of getting passed out in 2S and wants to put pressure on the opponents. Something like [KQJTxxx x AQxx x] would be typical.
b) Most modern partnerships play 4m in this auction as a non-leaping michaels bid (showing 5m & 5S). With a HCP rich single-suiter they are forced to choose between a gambling (and often offshape) 3NT or starting with double. The jump to 5D is thus reserved for distributional one-suiters, not necessarily super-strong, that only have interest in playing in diamonds.
c) This hand is a little different because after the 2/1 our side is assumed to have the balance of power, and opener does have the option to bid a forcing 4C. On that basis I think 5C should show a minimum strength opening with big distribution and no fit for hearts.
a) Your side is blessed with plenty of room in this auction. Strong single-suiters can either start with 3S, or a double if they're based more on HCP. So by far the most useful meaning for 4S is to show a distributional hand that is afraid of getting passed out in 2S and wants to put pressure on the opponents. Something like [KQJTxxx x AQxx x] would be typical.
b) Most modern partnerships play 4m in this auction as a non-leaping michaels bid (showing 5m & 5S). With a HCP rich single-suiter they are forced to choose between a gambling (and often offshape) 3NT or starting with double. The jump to 5D is thus reserved for distributional one-suiters, not necessarily super-strong, that only have interest in playing in diamonds.
c) This hand is a little different because after the 2/1 our side is assumed to have the balance of power, and opener does have the option to bid a forcing 4C. On that basis I think 5C should show a minimum strength opening with big distribution and no fit for hearts.
#6
Posted 2016-November-20, 09:33
This comes down to communication (and agreement) with partner. I prefer to make these bids very specific - set trump and communicate that we have a specific number of winners in our hand.
Over their weak twos, stronger hands start with double. Simple overcalls show a better hand than a minimum opener. A single jump shows a one-suiter with roughly 2 Kings better than opening (your range here).
3x Jumps to game over their preempts without hearing from partner 1) set trump unilaterally, and 2) asks one specific question - how many outside winners (and losers in their suit) do you have? That is 4♠ and 5♦ in 1 and 2 above show 9 and 10 tricks exactly. With 2 winners, partner stays put in 4♠ (counting 11 tricks) but might bid 6♦ with the right controls. We assume they have a 9-trump fit and bid accordingly.
Example 3 should also show a specific number of tricks. Here partner shows at least invitational values so opener assumes 3 cover cards and bids accordingly. 5♣ in this context is certainly NOT forward going. Change the auction to 1♣-(1♠)-P-(3♠)-5♣ goes to the number of tricks/strength.
Context - these auctions can show:
a) Opening 5♣ == our rule of 234 preempt
b) 2♣ then jump to 5♣ == asks partner to bid 6 or 7, one step for each ♣AK held.
c) 1♣ then jump to 3♣ == typically 15-17/8 and reasonable suit
d) 1♣ then jump to 4♣ == Slam try - strength and sets trump (one loser opposite singleton) no interest in NT. Not trying to play 4m - bad bridge.
e) 1♣ then jump to 5♣ == No NT interest and great shape, with exactly 10 tricks in hand or 11 tricks based on partner's response.
The 3♠ raise (assume partner passed and did not bid 2♥) eliminates option c). With NT interest opener can double (see BoP/cue bid double), so 5♣ here has to be 10 tricks opposite passed partner and 11 tricks opposite bidding partner. Bypassing the double here strongly indicates ODR so high that defending is not a consideration.
Over their weak twos, stronger hands start with double. Simple overcalls show a better hand than a minimum opener. A single jump shows a one-suiter with roughly 2 Kings better than opening (your range here).
3x Jumps to game over their preempts without hearing from partner 1) set trump unilaterally, and 2) asks one specific question - how many outside winners (and losers in their suit) do you have? That is 4♠ and 5♦ in 1 and 2 above show 9 and 10 tricks exactly. With 2 winners, partner stays put in 4♠ (counting 11 tricks) but might bid 6♦ with the right controls. We assume they have a 9-trump fit and bid accordingly.
Example 3 should also show a specific number of tricks. Here partner shows at least invitational values so opener assumes 3 cover cards and bids accordingly. 5♣ in this context is certainly NOT forward going. Change the auction to 1♣-(1♠)-P-(3♠)-5♣ goes to the number of tricks/strength.
Context - these auctions can show:
a) Opening 5♣ == our rule of 234 preempt
b) 2♣ then jump to 5♣ == asks partner to bid 6 or 7, one step for each ♣AK held.
c) 1♣ then jump to 3♣ == typically 15-17/8 and reasonable suit
d) 1♣ then jump to 4♣ == Slam try - strength and sets trump (one loser opposite singleton) no interest in NT. Not trying to play 4m - bad bridge.
e) 1♣ then jump to 5♣ == No NT interest and great shape, with exactly 10 tricks in hand or 11 tricks based on partner's response.
The 3♠ raise (assume partner passed and did not bid 2♥) eliminates option c). With NT interest opener can double (see BoP/cue bid double), so 5♣ here has to be 10 tricks opposite passed partner and 11 tricks opposite bidding partner. Bypassing the double here strongly indicates ODR so high that defending is not a consideration.
Be the partner you want to play with.
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
District 11
Unit 124
Steve Moese
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
District 11
Unit 124
Steve Moese
#7
Posted 2016-December-14, 16:50
There are a ton of possible agreements for a but it rarely shows the good one suited hand. Too often you just need to bid 4s with like AKJxxxx and a bit outside which is too good to bid 2s and not quite right for 3s. Its not uncommon to use 4H as the GOSH hand on this auction.
b is usually a typical GOSH.
c is more like an opening hand with 8 clubs. Not dissimilar to a really except that you already opened the bidding and partner has shown some life.
b is usually a typical GOSH.
c is more like an opening hand with 8 clubs. Not dissimilar to a really except that you already opened the bidding and partner has shown some life.
The physics is theoretical, but the fun is real. - Sheldon Cooper
Page 1 of 1