[Fluffy]

Not sure if we were fixed on these 2, or there is actually blame around.

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+300 with 1370 available.

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-100 with all the field in +140 when hey open 4♥ with KQJxxxx and out.

[wank]

the first one west. east has done pretty well imo. west should be able to picture something like that.

the second one unlucky. i don't like double with that shape, but at some point you have to shrug and act. for me 19 HCP is 'some point'.

[1eyedjack]

I think on the first hand I would have bid something like 4D or 5D the first time round rather than 2H by East. Don't know how that would have helped particularly.

[cherdano]

wank, on 2015-November-01, 17:27, said:

the first one west. east has done pretty well imo. west should be able to picture something like that.

Wow really? I would never picture 7-card support with a singleton and ♦AK and out after the 3♦ bid. If you don't like 4♦ or 5♦ the first time around, I think you got to bid 4♦ on the second round.

[wank]

cherdano, on 2015-November-01, 18:26, said:

Wow really? I would never picture 7-card support with a singleton and ♦AK and out after the 3♦ bid. If you don't like 4♦ or 5♦ the first time around, I think you got to bid 4♦ on the second round.

at the 3d point isn't there a good chance on this bidding that partner's 4432 or 4342 and it's all rather sad? surely 4d forces to game and suggests slam which is rather excessive when you think partner has heart length opposite your xxx.

[cherdano]

wank, on 2015-November-01, 18:30, said:

at the 3d point isn't there a good chance on this bidding that partner's 4432 or 4342 and it's all rather sad? surely 4d forces to game and suggests slam which is rather excessive when you think partner has heart length opposite your xxx.

Possible I guess - but why would they have missed their 10-card club fit? Opener could have bid 3♣ with 2515.

I didn't think a 4♦ rebid is forcing - I have two cuebids to force, seems better to reserve 4♦ in competition for an invite with extra distribution.

[kenrexford]

On the first one, West has to get involved at some point.

When South announced spades, North passed. Then, South showed hearts. What the heck could possibly justify a pass in that context? Clear to bid, IMO, and probable cue 3S.

[rmnka447]

West needs to bid again at some point on hand # 1. Think about the bidding!

East has competed twice over 2 ♠ and 3 ♥ so must have a big ♦ fit. As someone pointed out, with a good hand and big fit, East might have jumped to 4 ♦ instead on bidding 3. But East doesn't know whether West really has ♦ or not.

Additionally, North sat for South's 2 ♠, so is not likely to be stiff or void in ♠. That means that East should be short in ♠ and be ruffing behind North if they both are short (if, maybe 2-2).

West can see that East/West have complimentary shortness. West also knows East is unaware of it. When it's there, the hands rate to take a lot of tricks in a ♦ contract on a crossruff.

West might bid 4 ♦ over 3 ♥, but I could possibly see a pass not knowing for sure what East bid 3 ♦ on. But once East competes to 4 ♦, I'd find it hard not to bid at least 5 ♦ with West's hand. In an uncontested auction, I think it would be difficult to reach slam.


The second hand looks more like a fix to me. It seems like every time you pass these hands, you'll find partner ♠ K10xxx(..) and 4 ♠ is lay down.

[rmnka447]

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[alok c]

On the 1st hand East should bid 5d after 3h by south.

[PhantomSac]

West is ridiculous on hand 1 lol.

Hand 2, they got you by opening 3H instead of 4H. Don't see how everyone is +140 anyways, if they opened 3H and I had the west hand I doubt I'd double and pass 3S.

[EricK]

On 1, West has completely mis-evaluated his hand, IMO. He has 2 first round controls and 2 second round controls - all of which seem to be working, whereas a normal minimum opening will often have half that. Give him, instead, something like ♠KQJ3 ♥6 ♦J952 ♣KQJ2 so he has a genuine minimum opening, and 4♦ is the limit. Since East has know way of knowing which hand West has, it must be up to West to make some show of strength here.

Number 2 looks like a fix to me.

[wanoff]

Both on hand 1.
East knows oppo have a fit somewhere so maybe 5♦ immediately. As for West, the bidding is consistent with partner being limited and probably short in the blacks. It's not inconceivable that games are making each way, so he should bid 5♦.

Unlucky on 2, the cards don't look to be lying well so maybe 4 tricks would be easier than 10.

[billw55]

West on hand 1. The hand's offense kept getting better every time east bid, but west seemingly never reevaluated.

Fixed on hand 2. wdo

[WesleyC]

I don't like East's choices on the first hand and although West's double of 4H is clearly misguided, I would assign some blame to both players.

Hand 2 looks normal. Over 3H I would be tempted to try 3NT rather than double.

[phil_20686]

West has badly misevaluated his hand imo. three hearts and akxxxx diamonds gives 11 tricks on any 2-1 trump break. I would certainly not have passed over 2S when I have an unbalanced hand with 4 card support and a singleton in their suit. You could easily hit Kx xxx AKxxx xxx - a totally normal 2h bid that might float 2S, and be cold for 11 tricks on a 2-2 diamond break?

I would have bid 3D as west and been strongly concerned that I was not doing enough, but I dont want to force to 5d or 3N and I lack other good options. Passing 2S is fairly ridiculous imo.

[dboxley]

Fluffy, on 2015-November-01, 16:11, said:

Not sure if we were fixed on these 2, or there is actually blame around.

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+300 with 1370 available.

That 3D bid by E described his hand perfectly, W should be able to bid 6D immediately!

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This is the reason why people preempt.

-100 with all the field in +140 when hey open 4♥ with KQJxxxx and out.