[johnu]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-July-06, 10:39, said:

Something I don't know the answer to, what happens if Biden keels over just before the election ? does his VP automatically get any votes for him ?

That actually has been accounted for in the 20th Amendment. If the president elect dies before inauguration, their VP is sworn in as president.

Can a dead person win an American election? That's happened a number of times at different levels when there hasn't been time to change the ballot to replace the dead person with somebody else. It can't be good for your political career to lose to a dead person.

[Cyberyeti]

johnu, on 2024-July-07, 02:11, said:

That actually has been accounted for in the 20th Amendment. If the president elect dies before inauguration, their VP is sworn in as president.

Can a dead person win an American election? That's happened a number of times at different levels when there hasn't been time to change the ballot to replace the dead person with somebody else. It can't be good for your political career to lose to a dead person.

Was wondering if the Democrats would be MORE attractive to some voters with Biden dead rather than alive

[kenberg]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-July-07, 03:54, said:

Was wondering if the Democrats would be MORE attractive to some voters with Biden dead rather than alive

A pretty good summary of our despearate situation..

That said, I and others must tread carefully with such thoughts. There are a lot of nutjobs out there and, incomprehensibly, being a total loony is not seen here as a reason to deny a person full access to weapons of his choice.

[Cyberyeti]

kenberg, on 2024-July-07, 07:04, said:

A pretty good summary of our despearate situation..

That said, I and others must tread carefully with such thoughts. There are a lot of nutjobs out there and, incomprehensibly, being a total loony is not seen here as a reason to deny a person full access to weapons of his choice.

But the nutjobs need him alive

[barmar]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-July-07, 03:54, said:

Was wondering if the Democrats would be MORE attractive to some voters with Biden dead rather than alive

Can you tell the difference these days?

[barmar]

I'd vote for a dead ham sandwich rather than a live Trump. At least the sandwich won't try to stage a coup.

[shyams]

"I love Joe Biden. As a senator. As VP, and as President.
I believe in him. Believe in his character. Believe in his morals."
(but the powers that be have decided he must go so I write this as a good, loyal Democrat).


We were absolutely correct to insist (prior to Jun 27th) that all those vile accusations against Biden were disinformation. It is only during the debate that the media, the politicians, the VP, the Cabinet and numerous others realised they had been kept in the dark. I mean, if they weren't hoodwinked, why would they assert that Biden was "sharp as a tack"?


Things changed on the evening of 27th June. While watching the debate, the media & the politicians were able to diagnose the issue. Each one of them had rummaged through their old documents and found that medical degree. So they authoritatively diagnosed, and they all independently reached the same conclusion, and they then imposed shared those conclusions with the voters of this nation.

[pilowsky]

shyams, on 2024-July-10, 21:22, said:

Things changed on the evening of 27th June. While watching the debate, the media & the politicians were able to diagnose the issue. Each one of them had rummaged through their old documents and found that medical degree. So they authoritatively diagnosed, and they all independently reached the same conclusion, and they then imposed shared those conclusions with the voters of this nation.

Making an authoritative diagnosis is hard, but:
TBF, if a plumber, a potato farmer and a policy officer come across a politician with a missing leg, they don't need a medical degree to arrest the politician and return the leg to its rightful owner.

[kenberg]

shyams, on 2024-July-10, 21:22, said:

"I love Joe Biden. As a senator. As VP, and as President.
I believe in him. Believe in his character. Believe in his morals."
(but the powers that be have decided he must go so I write this as a good, loyal Democrat).


We were absolutely correct to insist (prior to Jun 27th) that all those vile accusations against Biden were disinformation. It is only during the debate that the media, the politicians, the VP, the Cabinet and numerous others realised they had been kept in the dark. I mean, if they weren't hoodwinked, why would they assert that Biden was "sharp as a tack"?


Things changed on the evening of 27th June. While watching the debate, the media & the politicians were able to diagnose the issue. Each one of them had rummaged through their old documents and found that medical degree. So they authoritatively diagnosed, and they all independently reached the same conclusion, and they then imposed shared those conclusions with the voters of this nation.

We don't diagnose, certainly we do not authoritatively diagnose, but we recognize that something is seriously wrong. We all have experience with such things. My first was when I was 13, pheasant hunting with my father. We were separated by some trees when my father's shotgun went off. No bird to be seen."What were you shooting at?" "I don't know". Followed by a couple more questions with weird answers. Diagnose? Of course not. Know something was wrong? Obviously. Luckily he could drive (I knew how in theory but not in practice), we went home, my mother called the doc.

And yes, we all have such experiences.

Oh. I see. JB had gone overseas for D-Day in early June and to a conference in mid-June. That's probably the reason JB had trouble at the debate. That's delusional. Oh, he had a cold. Right.

JB and the Democratic leadership had, my guess, 48 hours after the debate to address the problem seriously and honestly. They failed miserably.

[shyams]

kenberg, on 2024-July-11, 15:30, said:

We don't diagnose, certainly we do not authoritatively diagnose, but we recognize that something is seriously wrong. We all have experience with such things.

My entire post, and every mention of "we" within it, referred to the media and/or establishment not the regular citizens. FYI, that first quote was from a NY Times Opinion piece (allegedly authored) by George Clooney.

[kenberg]

 shyams, on 2024-July-11, 20:19, said:

My entire post, and every mention of "we" within it, referred to the media and/or establishment not the regular citizens. FYI, that first quote was from a NY Times Opinion piece (allegedly authored) by George Clooney.

Aha. I was wondering, it appeared to be some sort of constructed post.

[barmar]

 shyams, on 2024-July-11, 20:19, said:

My entire post, and every mention of "we" within it, referred to the media and/or establishment not the regular citizens. FYI, that first quote was from a NY Times Opinion piece (allegedly authored) by George Clooney.

So why not put it inside a proper quote block, and include the attribution?

[thepossum]

I'm more concerned at the light hearted approach to war. Like it is just a Football match

And I am no historian at all but Empires can become undone

[Winstonm]

Three more inches and we could have closed this thread.

https://abcnews.go.c...ry?id=111913361

[shyams]

https://www.c-span.o...-rally-shooting

I genuinely like the simple, clear message delivered by President Biden in the aftermath of the incident. "The idea that there's political violence like this... it's unheard of, it's not appropriate".

[andrei]

You guys missed today
But you can try again tomorrow.

[kenberg]

andrei, on 2024-July-14, 01:46, said:

You guys missed today
But you can try again tomorrow.

Of course you are free to say that, but really?
I hope everyone understands already, but for you I will be explicit: I don't want anyone shot. No one I know wants anyone shot.

[barmar]

I'm so conflicted over the assassination attempt.

I feel bad for our society that we have so much gun violence, particularly political violence. It shouldn't exist.

On the other hand, if he had succeeded, I wouldn't be shedding many tears over the loss of that man. I didn't feel bad when Whitey Bulger was murdered in prison, either.

[Al Phalpha]

How do you guys feel about Trump's VP choice?

[shyams]

 Al Phalpha, on 2024-July-15, 17:35, said:

How do you guys feel about Trump's VP choice?

Quoting from tweets by Jeff Stein of Washington Post:

"Hearing A LOT of alarm today among GOP donors & Reaganite conservative types about JD Vance. On trade, taxes, unions, antitrust — he’s signaled sharp departure from traditional conservatism, despite venture capitalist roots"

"Vance had troubled them by:
— Praising Biden FTC pick Lina Khan
— Suggesting openness to higher corporate taxes
— Backing Trump’s major tariffs & trade barriers
— Being tied to Oren Cass’s pro industrial & family policy group
— Visiting UAW picket line"

"On the other hand, plenty of reason to feel these fears are overstated. Vance has:
— Given no indication he’ll resist Trump plans on cutting corporate taxes & the rich, deregulating businesses
— Rejected PRO Act
— Signed Grover Norquist’s tax pledge
— Tied himself to billionaire Peter Thiel" (end)

If Trump wins, and Vance as VP uses his influence to retain Lina Khan in her role, this action (in isolation) will be good for the average American. In the world of partisan politics, I'm afraid it is very unlikely to happen.