[Jinksy]

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Butler IMPs. N/S appear to be, respectively, punter/pro.

Does it affect your decision if P is known to bid aggressively in third?

[manudude03]

Does partner's pass show a better hand than 2S? If so, this is a 4S bid. If not, then 3D (help suit game try). There is no way I'm going quietly with this hand.

[gszes]

hard to imagine any :aggressive: opening bid that would hate to play 2s opposite a limit raise type hand so I would play pass as at least a regular opener and since we are at the top of our invite I will hazard a 3s bid. No sense in punishing p for opening light even if 3s goes down it might be better than letting them play 2d. IMPS gotta try.

pass 2d = 1 (better than 7n anyway)

[Phil]

 manudude03, on 2015-July-18, 10:50, said:

Does partner's pass show a better hand than 2S? If so, this is a 4S bid. If not, then 3D (help suit game try). There is no way I'm going quietly with this hand.

Maybe it was at BW, but I think its sensible not to play a FP after a Drury sequence.

[Vampyr]

 Phil, on 2015-July-18, 12:47, said:

Maybe it was at BW, but I think its sensible not to play a FP after a Drury sequence.

Why?

[Phil]

 Vampyr, on 2015-July-18, 13:46, said:

Why?

Because after interference, there should be no pressure to have to buy the hand if 3rd seat opened very light.

Considering there are multiple ways for opener to invite, pass seems better used to show true drek.

I mean, its not likely that we are selling out, but its nice to know we can

[BillPatch]

At this vulnerability the best excuse for a weak 3rd hand is a lead director, so even if heir side ends in an unlawful 7 card fit they will rate to have the high trump, so the defensive bidders are unlikely to be sure enough about the trump, or overall strength, situation to make 2 of a major doubled in the suit drury raised a good bet for their side when the opportunity occurs. Usually, wen you open a weak hand vulnerable 3rd seat, and partner has a 9-11 hand, the opening side overbids are only caught on bad misfits, or above the 2 level. So I prefer a FP up to 2 of opener's major after drury.

Even so, I will only show the 3♦ HSGT rebid on the auction.

[jodepp]

I'm not sure why some people are bidding past 2♠. Our hand is very minimal and the shape is unappealing. I don't feel like selling to 2♦ but I also find it rather dangerous to carry on to the 3 level when partner had a chance to make a descriptive bid and didn't do it.

If partner is the hyperactive type I wouldn't be surprised if partner psyched and is hoping I pass...

[Jinksy]

 jodepp, on 2015-July-19, 03:46, said:

If partner is the hyperactive type I wouldn't be surprised if partner psyched and is hoping I pass...

Sure, but you're not allowed to account for the fact that he could be psyching outright - that would be potentially fielding.

[apollo1201]

The 2 level is safe for sure, even if p opened with a strong 4-cd and 10/11 points. The question is what will I do when 3D comes back to me...and knowing what pass, 2S and X by partner will help.

[mr1303]

2S seems automatic for me. X I think should be take out, showing a 3415 or similar? I think partner's pass is NF but I quite like my hand for playing in 2S even opposite complete crud. It's only if partner has psyched that I have a reason to be anxious.

[glynmoir]

Why the 2♣ bid? Why not 2 NT (Jordan, showing a limit raise with 4 spades, standard in all American systems)? We should know what general system you're playing, as Jordan (also called Truscott) may not be available.
If you are playing Jordan, this problem doesn't exist, as partner would have already placed the contract. (You can't have the "or better than limit raise hand, as you passed in first seat).
For this reason, in American systems, Drury is not played over a double.

[dave_beer]

2♠ because I have 4-card support.

I would DBL, which I believe should show convertible values, if I had only 3-card support.

[dave_beer]

 glynmoir, on 2015-July-19, 09:12, said:

If you are playing Jordan, this problem doesn't exist, as partner would have already placed the contract. (You can't have the "or better than limit raise hand, as you passed in first seat).

I think that Qxxx-Axxx-x-Axxx is better than a limit raise and I don't think it is an opening bid.

[beowulf]

Surely, we are forced to either 2♠ or to punish the opponents for their transgression. Therefore, partner's pass should show a hand that is at least willing to defend 2♦X. He doesn't necessarily have a good hand, but he won't have a sub-standard hand. He might well have only four spades. However, given that we have four ourselves, it would be taking a very deep position to double here, I think. 2♠ seems totally clear.

Of course, if they bid on, we will penalize them.

[lycier]

If 2♣ still showed Drury after double,I will try my best to describe the feature of my hand ,so 2♥ showing control in it,never pass,never double.never 2♠.

[jdonn]

It probably makes sense to say we could pass this out, if partner really can be opening light. But it would be silly to pass out with 4 trumps, and equally silly to go beyond the 2 level.

[mr1303]

Incidentally 2nt for me would show 4 trumps and a singleton somewhere.

[phil_20686]

In my style after 2C dble would be pen. Pass is just showing a hand that would stand a x if I wish to inform the opponents that they have made a mistake.

[Poky]

Clear 3♦ cuebid.

2♠ with the 4th trump and no ♦ wastage is pretty bad.