[nige1]

manudude03, on 2015-April-16, 17:12, said:

nv/nv IMPs. Standard 2/1 stuff, 2S promises 6. Partner had a serious 3NT or non-serious cues available. What do you do now?

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IMO, 4N = 10, 6♠ = 9, Pass = 8. Worth a try,

manudude03, on 2015-April-16, 17:12, said:

If you bid 4N (RKC), partner bids 5C showing 1 KC. Do you persist?

IMO, 5♦ = 10, 6♠ = 9, 5♠ = 7. In for a penny...

manudude03, on 2015-April-16, 17:12, said:

If you then bid 5D to ask for the ♠Q, it will follow 5D-(X)-5H-(X) partner showing the ♠Q and ♥K. Now do you bid the slam?

IMO, 6♠ = 10, 5♠ = 9. A close decision. You've made a strong slam-try and established that partner holds ♠Q; so 5♠ would say that ♥K doesn't excite you. The ball would then be in partner's court -- provided you don't take too long to bid 5♠

[Fluffy]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-April-17, 09:19, said:

Sorry, slam is horrible on the first hand on a diamond lead (which you're going to get and the K will be offside with the double) which removes your side entry, you need spades 2-2 or stiff J and clubs 3-2 I think.

Were you talking about the odds before the subsequent action ?

You play ♠AQ and the ruff a club, making whenever clubs are 3-2 except when doubleton club is with ♠Jxx or spades are 4-0, I think this is above average, specially taking opps silence into account.

[masse24]

kuhchung, on 2015-April-17, 10:47, said:

Maybe . . .you should have consulted a good friend first.

Like, um . . . your partner?! This was my point as well, and is why my earlier "guess" at partner's hand lacked a keycard. Of course, the OP stated that partner holds both a key and the trump Q.
I do, however, find 4NT far easier to bid "knowing" the responses in advance.
Partner has trash because he said so. Any action I might take subsequent to a 4NT ask is immaterial since the auction stops at 4♠.

[Lovera]

It strange but how it is posted this one seemed an open problem (i.e. we already know about Q+K before bidding for Q). Than investigate under 5 doesn't cost anything (fourthemore we can have some datum) and we can figure QJxxxx of trump+A of heart (instead A of spade - ambigous situation). I don't exclude 5♥(=interrogative) to clear.

[PhilKing]

I would pass, but it depends how you use non-serious.

My view is that bidding 4♠ shows a horrible hand for slam. ♠AQJxxx ♥Kxx ♦xx ♣xx, may be a minimum opening, but it's quite a decent hand if partner is interested in slam, so I would bid a non-serious 3NT and then cue 4♥. Partner can still bid 4♠ if he needs me to have a good hand in context.

[gszes]

Working with the tools at my disposal--I think this hand should at least try for slam rather than hoping against hope p has one of the few min type hands that make slam less than desirable. The opps throwing in all of those x makes me strongly believe p does NOT have much extra wasted values in the reds and that in turn vastly increases the chances of expecting some club help. It is still a guess but it seems reasonable. I vote for the 4n route and bid slam once I discover the AQ of spades. STOP reading if you have no interest in alternative treatments.

I suggest adding PODI PORI to your rkc responses this can save some needed space.

I might suggest considering switching your serious and non serious meaning. Ie opener can bid 3n non serious and cue bid when serious. If opener makes a serious cue bid the 5 level will virtually never be in danger so the bidding has an extra level for exploration. When opener is minimum that is not the case and responder (unlimited) needs to be warned. You can save a jump to 4s to show a min with no cue bid and with no club help (less than stiff Q or 3 small). This rather descriptive bid means the hand looks really really really dirt poor for slam purposes. It is ok to waste that much space with so much information is imparted.

[manudude03]

Full hand:

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I thought it would be pretty clear to move on with slam being a favourite with AQJxxx xxx xx xx and partner must have more. Unfortunately, 6S ended -1. Flat board.

[KurtGodel]

To me partner has complete rubbish when they bid 4S and this hand just even slightly in their range. You can't have good trumps a solid control and a singleton...
What would 1♠ - 2♣ - 2♠ - 4♥/4♠ have been?

[manudude03]

KurtGodel, on 2015-April-20, 10:25, said:

To me partner has complete rubbish when they bid 4S and this hand just even slightly in their range. You can't have good trumps a solid control and a singleton...
What would 1♠ - 2♣ - 2♠ - 4♥/4♠ have been?

4H would have been a splinter. I rejected it since I felt it was too close to a slam force and would virtually always come back with 4S.
4S over 2S would have shown a really trashy GF hand.

[Lovera]

After 5♥ bidding will end in 6♠. I (avoiding x) perhaps may have better chance. Infact with opening lead of Ace of heart or J of club by E 6♠ is factible.(Lovera)

[Phil]

kuhchung, on 2015-April-17, 10:47, said:

I would pass. I don't know if my point went over everyone's hand, or if my point is invalid, but it's simply this:

You bid keycard, find you are off one keycard, and don't know if you want to bid slam. Maybe instead of starting the car, and then wondering if you should be driving, you should have consulted a good friend first.

My friend is passed out in the back seat.

[johnu]

kuhchung, on 2015-April-17, 10:47, said:

I would pass. I don't know if my point went over everyone's hand, or if my point is invalid, but it's simply this:

You bid keycard, find you are off one keycard, and don't know if you want to bid slam. Maybe instead of starting the car, and then wondering if you should be driving, you should have consulted a good friend first.

Keycard and then slowww 5♠ is the systemic way of inviting partner to continue to 6.

[mike777]

as I suspected weak 2s and showing shortness in d... after inquiry leads to slam oh well

[dboxley]

If u decide to rkc then why would u ever sign off unless u r missing either 2 keys or 1 key and the trump Q?

[Fluffy]

dboxley, on 2015-April-26, 12:56, said:

If u decide to rkc then why would u ever sign off unless u r missing either 2 keys or 1 key and the trump Q?

I am not really sure, however I see weak players doing it all the time.

[manudude03]

The reason in this case is 5D got doubled for the lead, so if slam were to be lead-dependent, then you've just been told what lead you're getting.