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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2015-January-05, 11:51

I will try to find the story behind this result.

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3200  25.00    7H*W -12
2940  24.00    7H**S =
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Posted 2015-January-05, 17:29

Apparently it went something like this:

2♣ 2n [minors] 4♠ 5♣
5♠ 6♥ (lead directing vs. a slam) 6♠ 7♥ (oh, that's what you meant)
X (no, he didn't mean that)



This even tops my hand at Penticton when playing teams, vulnerable:

1♠ 2♣ (me, on a bad 10 count)  X   XX (oh nice, partner thinks I can make it)
all pass

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Posted 2015-January-06, 03:43

Too bad they can't bid 8♣, that looks to be only 4 down. I'd be bidding 4nt for the minors with the W hand, not 2nt. And I'm not sure if I bid 6 or 7 clubs over that from the E (probably just 6 I think).

Be interested to know the auction on the 7♥XXS since obviously it goes down on the ♠Q and the X might have been asking for that, but hard for W to imagine - without some auction help - that spades is the suit to hit partner's void!
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Posted 2015-January-06, 05:17

View PostMbodell, on 2015-January-06, 03:43, said:

Be interested to know the auction on the 7♥XXS since obviously it goes down on the ♠Q and the X might have been asking for that, but hard for W to imagine - without some auction help - that spades is the suit to hit partner's void!


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Posted 2015-January-06, 09:29

View PostMbodell, on 2015-January-06, 03:43, said:

I'd be bidding 4nt for the minors with the W hand, not 2nt.


Really?
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Posted 2015-January-06, 10:12

View PostMbodell, on 2015-January-06, 03:43, said:

Too bad they can't bid 8♣, that looks to be only 4 down. I'd be bidding 4nt for the minors with the W hand, not 2nt. And I'm not sure if I bid 6 or 7 clubs over that from the E (probably just 6 I think).

Be interested to know the auction on the 7♥XXS since obviously it goes down on the ♠Q and the X might have been asking for that, but hard for W to imagine - without some auction help - that spades is the suit to hit partner's void!

Many years ago, playing in a District GNT, one of my teammates led her singleton club against the opponent's 5♥ contract looking for a ruff. She found it - her partner ruffed!

This hand was a big loss for our side. At the other table, we were defending 6♦x, and my partner led the suit we had bid during the auction - hearts. I had AKxx of hearts and AKxxxx of clubs. Dummy had 3 hearts and one club. I won the ♥K and tried to figure out what to do next. I could not tell from partner's lead or the auction whether partner had 4 or 5 hearts. With only one club in dummy, it seemed reasonable to try to cash the ♣A - I had opened the bidding 1♣ but after partner's 1♥ response and heavy competitive bidding by the opps we never bid clubs again. Declarer ruffed and got rid of his remaining heart on dummy's spades.
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Posted 2015-January-06, 10:30

I don't understand the 24.0 and 25.0 scores
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Posted 2015-January-06, 10:37

View PostArtK78, on 2015-January-06, 10:12, said:

Many years ago, playing in a District GNT, one of my teammates led her singleton club against the opponent's 5♥ contract looking for a ruff. She found it - her partner ruffed!


Love it.

I once made 7♥ by getting a ruff-sluff at trick 1. The interesting part of that deal was that some pairs sitting the other direction made 7♠, also on a ruff-sluff at trick 1.
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Posted 2015-January-06, 11:11

View PostFluffy, on 2015-January-06, 10:30, said:

I don't understand the 24.0 and 25.0 scores

Matchpoints, I didn't list the rest of the results so it does look like a team score sorry.
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Posted 2015-January-06, 11:17

View PostGreenMan, on 2015-January-06, 10:37, said:

Love it.

I once made 7♥ by getting a ruff-sluff at trick 1. The interesting part of that deal was that some pairs sitting the other direction made 7♠, also on a ruff-sluff at trick 1.

Every so often there is a hand like this at a North American Championship. The story is usually that, on more than one occasion, one of the partners cue bids his void and the other partner, also with a void, assumes the other has the A and they bid 7NT, down 7.

There are variations on this story, however. In the first regional open pair event that I won my partner and I defended 3♠x vulnerable down 8 for 2300. We could have made all 13 tricks, but it is hard to defend that bad of a contract perfectly. Interestingly, in another section, someone played 4♠x down 9! Some people can't resist interfering into a strong 2♣ auction, even though the suit in this case was 5 small.
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Posted 2015-January-06, 12:03

View PostPhil, on 2015-January-06, 09:29, said:

Really?


About 4nt instead of 2nt: I'm white against red with a 2♣ opener opponent and I'm 1=0=6=6, weak, with no quick tricks/no defense. Seems like I want to steal all the space and 5m is extremely likely to be a good sac over some red game for the opponents, and slam for opponents is not unexpected. And my partners should play a 4nt here as for the minors (I've bid this or had partner bid this in different auctions before). It is super clear over 2♣ that I'm not doing something like blackwood here!
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Posted 2015-January-15, 02:19

View Postjillybean, on 2015-January-06, 11:11, said:

Matchpoints, I didn't list the rest of the results so it does look like a team score sorry.

But you said you lost 1 imp in the topic title :unsure:
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