[whereagles]

IMPS

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Bid?

(A 2♦ opening for the majors was not available.)

[mike777]

dbl I am a passed hand.

[kgr]

Clear pass for me (I don't mean that pass is clear, but I mean that I would always pass).
- I would pass again if partner bids 2D.(and RDBL if that is DBL'ed)
- I partner DBLs 2C then I bid 3C. (that should be both majors after having passed twice?)

[mikeh]

We need to plan ahead. Doubling invites partner to rebid a 5 card diamond suit, which won't play well opposite this dummy, and we can't safely bid over 2♦.

Meanwhile, our club length suggests he may well be able to reopen, and we are likely well-placed in that event.

Doubling could work, but it seems too dangerous to me.

[gszes]

will not always work but x seems like the best bet here for a number
of reasons (being a passed hand irrelevant to the problem).

1. There is a very good chance partner will not be able to reopen with x
2. Having shown the majors we have a great retreat route to 2h if p rebids 2d
where p can pass or correct.
3. If p rebids 2n I will try and correct to 3h
4. if p can bid 2h or 2s we are already in a great spot we probably could not
have reached otherwise
5. if p can bid 3h or 3s we have an easy raise to game which we might have missed
otherwise.

BAD NEWS

1. p might bid 3d (ick) pass
2. p might bid 3c (semi ick) bid 3h and see what happens
3. p bids 3n (ick) pass

lots of part score advantages some game advantages and disadvantages seems like a
very reasonable risk vs reward situation.

[quiddity]

Are the passers planning to reopen if LHO raises clubs? (and if so, how?)

[Fluffy]

Bidding is wrong on shape, values and it is tactically unsound, why would I ever wanna do that?

[kgr]

kgr, on 2014-November-27, 09:32, said:

Clear pass for me (I don't mean that pass is clear, but I mean that I would always pass).
- I would pass again if partner bids 2D.(and RDBL if that is DBL'ed)
- I partner DBLs 2C then I bid 3C. (that should be both majors after having passed twice?)

I verified with my partner and he answered that:
1D-(2C)-P-(P)
DBL-(P)-3C
=> 3C: 4=4=4=1
But agreed that hand in OP is another possibility

quiddity, on 2014-November-27, 11:38, said:

Are the passers planning to reopen if LHO raises clubs? (and if so, how?)

After:
1D-(2C)-P-(3C)
P-(P)-?
I still pass. The only other option is 4C for me, but I'm too weak for that.

[MrAce]

If they raise clubs, our hand becomes potentially huge.

[Fluffy]

MrAce, on 2014-November-28, 03:44, said:

If they raise clubs, our hand becomes potentially huge.

And if parnter doesn't bid a free 3♦ even better. But are you going to reopen with 4♣ or 3♥?

[whereagles]

Thx all. Full hand:

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I didn't double because I didn't want to attract a potentially disastrous diamond rebid. And sure enough, pard did make such a rebid anyway, which is why I let it go quietly.

At the other table they manage to dig up the hearts.. no idea how they did it.. lol.

Would you have rebid 2♥ on pard's cards, instead of 2♦?

[Lord Molyb]

I would not rebid 2♥, as that shows a much better hand.

[nige1]

whereagles, on 2014-November-27, 08:08, said:

IMPS
Bid?
(A 2♦ opening for the majors was not available.)

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IMO Double = 10, Pass = 9, 2♠ = 8, 2♥ = 7. Hope partner won't expect too much from you after you passed as dealer.

[Fluffy]

So partner didn't double 2♣, and we know he has short in clubs, why didn't he?, well because he has short in a major as well, which one? gotta be spades...

I don't think it is really obvious, but balancing with 3♥ is certainly possible.

[jdeegan]

I don't understand your reluctance to make a negative double the first time. You are a passed hand. Your playing strength in the majors is far above average for the bid. If partner responds 2♦, you can either bid 2♥ immediately or (better, imo) wait for a penalty double and bid 2♥ if necessary.

[WesleyC]

I'm a strong believer that you should stretch to act on marginal hands to avoid a guess later in the auction. If partner is on the same page, i'll trust that they won't bury us in diamonds.

[whereagles]

jdeegan, on 2014-November-28, 22:01, said:

I don't understand your reluctance to make a negative double the first time. You are a passed hand. Your playing strength in the majors is far above average for the bid. If partner responds 2♦, you can either bid 2♥ immediately or (better, imo) wait for a penalty double and bid 2♥ if necessary.

I'm not worried of pard responding 2♦ to the double. I'm worried of him having a couple extras and responding THREE diamonds or, worse, 3NT