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simple opening bid issue

Poll: nobody vul - all expert IMP game (26 member(s) have cast votes)

ur bid

  1. Pass (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. 1 spade (20 votes [76.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.92%

  3. Other (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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Posted 2014-November-13, 17:12

Ur dealer. Nobody vul. All expert IMP game. 2/1 system

♠AKQ93
♥65
♣953
♣Q104
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Posted 2014-November-13, 19:35

I wouldn't pass this hand playing Fantunes (I'd move a club in among my spades and open 2♠ if necessary)--I sure as hell won't pass this in 2/1. Now if I were to pass this playing Precision, I'd expect my partner to shoot me (or commit me to a mental institution if feeling merciful).
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Posted 2014-November-13, 19:55

2S seems obvious.
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Posted 2014-November-13, 21:28

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-13, 17:12, said:

Ur dealer. Nobody vul. All expert IMP game. 2/1 system
♠ A K Q 9 3 ♥ 6 5 ♦ 9 5 3 ♣ Q 10 4
IMO -- Assuming some of your ♣ are ♦ as above -- 2♠ = 10, 1♠ = 9, Pass = 8.
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Posted 2014-November-14, 01:24

Since I have 6 ♣s and only 5 ♠s, I'd open 1♣.
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Posted 2014-November-14, 08:28

Opener selected one ♠, no surprise. LHO bid 2♥. Partner bid 3♣. RHO passed. Now what?
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Posted 2014-November-14, 08:41

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Posted 2014-November-14, 08:54

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-14, 08:41, said:

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You want to double your partner?
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Posted 2014-November-14, 08:56

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-14, 08:28, said:

Opener selected one ♠, no surprise. LHO bid 2♥. Partner bid 3♣. RHO passed. Now what?

4C. I'll rebid 4S (or pass 4S) next.
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Posted 2014-November-14, 11:13

Textbook 11 HCP 1♠ opening.

For bean counters: "top honors concentration in spades is worth 1 point, making it the regulamentary 12".
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Posted 2014-November-14, 15:16

I'll bid 1 ♠. 11 HCP with 2 QTs, but somewhere between 7-7.5 losers depending on how you many losers you assign ♣ Q10x. So I'll take the aggressive route and open.

IMO, 3 ♣ is virtually a game force. I'm just bidding 3 ♠. I'd like to raise partner's ♣, but that bypasses 3 NT which may still be a viable contract and possibly the last makeable contract.
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Posted 2014-November-14, 15:49

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Posted 2014-November-14, 22:11

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-13, 17:12, said:

Ur dealer. Nobody vul. All expert IMP game. 2/1 system ♠ A K Q 9 3 ♥ 6 5 ♦ 9 5 3 ♣ Q 10 4

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-14, 08:28, said:

Opener selected one ♠, no surprise. LHO bid 2♥. Partner bid 3♣. RHO passed. Now what?
IMO 3♠ = 10, 4♣ = 6. 3♥ = 5. 3♦ = 4, 4♣ is too encouraging. To keep 3N in the picture you can rebid your 6-card suit. :)
4♠ might be the best game even on a Burnsian fit, opposite e.g.
♠ J ♥ x x x ♦ K Q x ♣ A K x x x x
♠ x ♥ A x x x ♦ x x ♣ A K x x x x
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Posted 2014-November-15, 02:33

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-14, 08:28, said:

Opener selected one ♠, no surprise. LHO bid 2♥. Partner bid 3♣. RHO passed. Now what?


3♥ ask stop. We's got's two sources of tricks for 3NT.
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Posted 2014-November-15, 03:53

If P has solid stops in both the red suits, why couldn't he have bid 3N first time around (or 2N if natural)? The most obvious reason to me (other than not having stops) is that he's too strong.

If so, 'minimum' or no I have great support for a slam try, so I'm raising to 4♣. If he then bids 4♠ it must be an offer to play, and I can pass.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 12:18

Pass.

I decided a long time ago, that I will pass 11 counts with 5332 shape.
It worked ok up to now.
We recently switchted to 11-14 NT opening, so we can open 1NT, in case
we dont have a 5 card major.

You happen to play 2/1, the only bid from p you can handle is 1NT, you
will pass, everything else will already lead to a feeling, why did I open.

If you really have to open, 2S, but partner will never give you AKQ in
spades. Besides, just because you pass , does not mean, you have to pass
the whole time.

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Posted 2014-November-17, 12:21

View Postjdeegan, on 2014-November-14, 08:28, said:

Opener selected one ♠, no surprise. LHO bid 2♥. Partner bid 3♣. RHO passed. Now what?

3H. What else? 3C is forcing, you dont have a heart stopper, bypassing 3NT is no option.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 12:31

View PostJinksy, on 2014-November-15, 03:53, said:

If P has solid stops in both the red suits, why couldn't he have bid 3N first time around (or 2N if natural)? The most obvious reason to me (other than not having stops) is that he's too strong.
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How about giving you maximal room to describe your hand?
3C takes away no room, assuming 2NT is Lebensohl, 3NT does, and 3H as well.
And sometimes partner has a stopper, like Axx, but prefers that 3NT gets played
from our side, if we have a (semi) stopper.
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Posted 2014-November-17, 22:46

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-November-15, 02:33, said:

3♥ ask stop. We's got's two sources of tricks for 3NT.

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2014-November-17, 12:21, said:

3H. What else? 3C is forcing, you dont have a heart stopper, bypassing 3NT is no option.
Should 3♦ and 3♥ show stops or ask for them? With both red suits stopped partner can 3N, so with neither stopped, 3♠ seems safer.
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Posted 2014-November-18, 01:26

One only worries about the suits opponents actually showed. So 3♥ asks.
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