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Re-Opening

Poll: Re-Opening (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Re-Open?

  1. 2 Diamonds (8 votes [27.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.59%

  2. 1NT (14 votes [48.28%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.28%

  3. Double (7 votes [24.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  4. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2014-August-09, 14:02

both sides 4 card major weak NT

scoring: imps
vul: both vul




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Posted 2014-August-09, 14:34

There is a fairly good chance p is trying to hide their drool dreaming about the size
of the penalty in 1hx. Since our hand is reasonable in all other aspects we should begin
with

x

to cater to this extremely lucrative possibility. 2d feels safer but at imps that is not
always the point. When we have a fairly safe way to go for a big score it is generally
best to go that route vs the safe way:)))))))))))
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Posted 2014-August-09, 14:34

1NT
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Posted 2014-August-09, 14:44

2 ♦

The hand is slightly below an opening hand IMO -- 12 HCP but only 1 1/2 QTs. The ♥ K has to be discounted slightly for being in front of the ♥ bidder. Also, clearly ♦ are your best suit.
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Posted 2014-August-09, 14:55

gonna pass.. i can hardly believe we have anything
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Posted 2014-August-09, 15:38

-balanced hand? Check
-stopper in enemy suit? Check
-do we have a bid in system for this range? Check

1 NT
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Posted 2014-August-09, 16:18

I don't believe the choice to balance 1NT is clear vs. a balancing 2D, but they are far above Double and Pass IMHO.
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Posted 2014-August-09, 18:15

View Postaguahombre, on 2014-August-09, 16:18, said:

I don't believe the choice to balance 1NT is clear vs. a balancing 2D, but they are far above Double and Pass IMHO.

Interesting you say that, to me 2/1 overcall with 5332 hands is a no no unless you have no other option and pass would be ridiculous. I would rate dbl better than 2 dia.
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Posted 2014-August-09, 19:58

View PostMrAce, on 2014-August-09, 18:15, said:

Interesting you say that, to me 2/1 overcall with 5332 hands is a no no unless you have no other option and pass would be ridiculous. I would rate dbl better than 2 dia.

It isn't an overcall for the purpose of applying that concept. Balancing suit-bids have different dogma attached to them than overcalls.

A double, when partner is about zero to have five spades and will likely put you down as dummy with your KX of Hearts and Moysian fit just doesn't seem attractive here.
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Posted 2014-August-09, 21:26

1nt - it should be better with your hand declarer. i don't normally overcall NTs with such a shape, but in passout it's fine because partner is going to have some hearts too.

hate 2d on balanced crap.
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Posted 2014-August-10, 12:22

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Posted 2014-August-10, 12:25

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Posted 2014-August-10, 12:25

1NT

but I am biased. I like mentioning a minor suit when there is a compelling reason - AK(Q)xx or 2T3+6 cards. A 5-card suit in a 5332 shape doesn't suggest a suit, it suggests NT.

BTW- I would balance 1NT with 11-16 HCP here whether I hold a ♥ stop or not.
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Posted 2014-August-10, 13:02

1NT has the advantage, that it is more flexible with regards to the end
contract.
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Posted 2014-August-10, 14:16

Sorry, I thought I had opened 1♦ and 1♥ was an overcall. It's an obvious 1NT then, but 2♦ also comes to mind. Really a matter of preference.
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Posted 2014-August-10, 15:39

Read the OP again WE - "both sides 4 card major weak NT" - even if you has been dealer you would not have opened 1♦. Funny that Timo was the one to point out that X was the main alternative given that he never doubles with this hand type. For the record I agree with him and think 2♦ absolutely the sort of the 4 options given.
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Posted 2014-August-10, 22:43

ONE NOTRUMP is the only sensible bid in this balancing position.Interchange the D x for HK and then 2D is the balancing bid.Double is out of question as I am least interested in a most likely spade or club contract and even a NT contract from partners hand.And Pass is absolutely timid novice call.
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Posted 2014-August-12, 09:42

Thanks folks, I doubled but I was really torn between double and 1NT. I didn't consider 2d at all.

can't remember the actual hand but I think we ended up in a spade partial whatever i did
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Posted 2014-August-12, 10:20

It seems obvious to me, anyway, that we don't want partner to be Declarer here in the boss suit when he couldn't overcall in that suit.

It also seems that we simply would like to go plus, and a QJTxx suit is not entirely "balanced crap". NT could work out well if partner holds QXX(X)H and only two diamonds, but opposite XXX in hearts and 3+ diamonds I suspect not. I wonder what the consensus would be on balancing after 1S P P with KX QJTXX QXX AXX. Does the extra 30 per trick for making contracts make the two situations that much different?
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