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A hand from Osoyoos Sectional

Poll: A hand from Osoyoos Sectional (17 member(s) have cast votes)

your bid

  1. pass (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  2. X (14 votes [82.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.35%

  3. 4H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2014-May-25, 05:36



I will force the 1♥ opening and 3♥ rebid on you, what now?
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Posted 2014-May-25, 06:13

X but I really hate 3H on the previous round.
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Posted 2014-May-25, 07:36

poll added
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Posted 2014-May-25, 08:42

I've comprehensively snookered myself with the 3♥ bid, I really don't see what I can do. X will cause me to play 4♠ on a 5-2 fit or 4♥ on a 5-2 or possibly 5-1. So partner should pass the double ? Yes but he might well not thinking you actually have 6 or 7 hearts. I'm unfamiliar with the naming convention for American events, is this pairs or teams ? at teams I probably stay fixed as -800 is in the frame here, but at pairs I'll risk something.
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Posted 2014-May-25, 08:57

I'm trying to get a poll on this as it is not so much a bidding problem but rather a laws question , but I've made a bad job at forming the question.

Back for teams today, I will check back in on this later.
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Posted 2014-May-25, 10:22

View Postjillybean, on 2014-May-25, 08:57, said:

I'm trying to get a poll on this as it is not so much a bidding problem but rather a laws question , but I've made a bad job at forming the question.

Back for teams today, I will check back in on this later.


OK, then this is a real problem to get a decent poll, GL finding a sample of players who can get into the mind of somebody that would bid 3♥ here, I guess from your comment about teams today that this was pairs in which case I'll double whether it's T/O or pens, I don't really care which it is, at pairs I can't stomach pass and there's no other sensible call I can make.
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Posted 2014-May-25, 12:27

If it's a laws question, why not post it in the laws forum?

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Posted 2014-May-25, 23:30

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-May-25, 10:22, said:

OK, then this is a real problem to get a decent poll, GL finding a sample of players who can get into the mind of somebody that would bid 3♥ here, I guess from your comment about teams today that this was pairs in which case I'll double whether it's T/O or pens, I don't really care which it is, at pairs I can't stomach pass and there's no other sensible call I can make.

You are right on both counts.


View Postblackshoe, on 2014-May-25, 12:27, said:

If it's a laws question, why not post it in the laws forum?

I was attempting to get a response to gauge if there was a LA to what occurred at the table but as cyberyeti points out, the auction makes no sense.
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Posted 2014-May-26, 06:11

4♥ would be ridiculous - we already overstated our heart length with 3♥. I think we should be told the eanings of 2NT (presumably minors) and 4♣ (extras or extra length?). We should also be told what North's options were. Someone has a lot of spades. If it is partner then we want to double and play 4♠. If East then we probably want to defend. Overall the call that seems to have the biggest upside is double but partner is never going to play me for this after 3♥.
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Posted 2014-May-26, 06:38

Assuming I am a peer of a weak player who bids 3♥ because he is strong. I would feel like I have already shown my hand and pass.
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Posted 2014-May-26, 06:42

Also need to know what 3m would have been from partner. If with a weak 2 in spades he can bid 3♦/♠ because a better hand is shown by the other, that makes a difference.
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Posted 2014-May-26, 07:29

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-May-26, 06:42, said:

Also need to know what 3m would have been from partner. If with a weak 2 in spades he can bid 3♦/♠ because a better hand is shown by the other, that makes a difference.


N/S have no agreements over the 2N bid.
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Posted 2014-May-26, 07:47

I would have bid 3NT over 3♣. As bid, I have no idea what to do, because I do not know the form of scoring.

BTW, I agree with 1♥, but would not recommend it for players who cannot handle competition. 2NT keeps it simple.
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Posted 2014-May-27, 12:52

Pass. We might be able to beat it but even if that were the case partner may pull the double playing us for a more normal shape for this auction.
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Posted 2014-May-27, 22:52

You don't need one more abstention because 3H is so bad, but thats really all I can say. If you dropped me into this chair with a gun to my head I suppose I'd double. ("Sectional" implied matchpoints to me. I have sympathy for a chickenhearted pass at IMPs.)
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Posted 2014-May-28, 06:34

Just dbl now. You have a monster.
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