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#1 User is offline   Bad_Wolf 

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Posted 2014-March-24, 22:20

MPS

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Posted 2014-March-24, 23:27

4♠.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 01:10

no bid. don't feel like turning +100 into -800.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 04:51

4♠ for sure.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 05:57

View Postwank, on 2014-March-25, 01:10, said:

no bid. don't feel like turning +100 into -800.


View PostPhilKing, on 2014-March-25, 04:51, said:

4♠ for sure.

Are you two still playing together? :)

FWIW, I'm with Phil on this one, though I can easily see it having the result wank suggests.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 06:46

View PostWellSpyder, on 2014-March-25, 05:57, said:

Are you two still playing together? :)

FWIW, I'm with Phil on this one, though I can easily see it having the result wank suggests.


Well, if he had access to my database he might change his mind.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 07:15

I think I'm using the same database as PhilKing.
It was an obvious pass before I ran simulations, now it's an obvious 4♠.

Partner has 3-4 spades and a singleton/void heart a surprising amount of the time and we can often make 4♠ opposite a low doubleton or honor singleton. When we can't make 4♠ they are almost always making 4♥.
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Posted 2014-March-25, 09:15

View PostBad_Wolf, on 2014-March-24, 22:20, said:

MPS
IMO 4♠ = 10, Pass = 9, Double = 4. A toss-up. Wank may well be right, taking into account partner's silence and your 3 ♥s
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Posted 2014-March-25, 09:41

Did these databases eliminate all hands with which CHO doubles in direct seat?

My simtuition went with Wank, but my expectation of the forum replies went with Phil.

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Posted 2014-March-25, 14:27

I would bid 4♠ and complete the transfer. Posted Image
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Posted 2014-March-25, 14:32

4♠. If it's 'wrong', the 800 will be a push, and maybe I'll play it a trick better and win 7 :P
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Posted 2014-March-25, 14:49

View Postaguahombre, on 2014-March-25, 09:41, said:

Did these databases eliminate all hands with which CHO doubles in direct seat?

My simtuition went with Wank, but my expectation of the forum replies went with Phil.

LOL at myself, I just noticed my tagline.


The database shows what happened when the auciton actually occurred at the table.
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Posted 2014-March-26, 09:35

4s

For ONCE I actually have a suit with quality. Having trump suit
quality is the number one way to keep from getting x. This fact alone
virtually eliminates any chance of going for 800 and thus reducing
risk significantly.

The second factor in favor of a 4s bid is that p rates to have
an average of 9 hcp and if p has that 9 we have a great chance at
making game so on average we will make a vul game. Seems like risk
vs reward favors bidding
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Posted 2014-March-26, 11:21

View Postgszes, on 2014-March-26, 09:35, said:

4s

For ONCE I actually have a suit with quality. Having trump suit
quality is the number one way to keep from getting x. This fact alone
virtually eliminates any chance of going for 800 and thus reducing
risk significantly.

The second factor in favor of a 4s bid is that p rates to have
an average of 9 hcp and if p has that 9 we have a great chance at
making game so on average we will make a vul game. Seems like risk
vs reward favors bidding

I have to agree with your thoughts here.
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Posted 2014-March-26, 22:18

I think they can make 4♥ more often than we can make 4♠. I hope one can make so I bid 4♠. If it is 4♥ making then I hope 4♠ is a decent dive.

Its not all roses though. 4♠ might be too costly at these colours and we may simply create a problem, for partner, when the opponents compete to 5♥.
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Posted 2014-March-27, 02:41

If LHO open 4♠ I would bid 5 of my suit.
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