Upgrade? And Other Questions
#1
Posted 2013-December-02, 19:31
#2
Posted 2013-December-02, 19:37
As for the second part, if 2NT is the standard 18-19, it is difficult to see how we can have a slam on. So I will just raise to 3NT.
However, the note implies that the 2NT bid is stronger than that; without knowing how strong, I cannot answer further.
#4
Posted 2013-December-02, 20:29
In the actual auction, 3NT.
#5
Posted 2013-December-02, 20:34
I bid 3N now.
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#6
Posted 2013-December-03, 06:00
#9
Posted 2013-December-03, 07:00
3NT then. Only if p can have a singleton diamonds, and I have a tool to locate it, will I think of slam.
I think it would be reasonable to upgrade this hand.
#11
Posted 2013-December-05, 14:11
should anyone have done more or just one of those hands?
Thanks,
Eagles
#12
Posted 2013-December-05, 14:19
eagles123, on 2013-December-05, 14:11, said:
should anyone have done more or just one of those hands?
Thanks,
Eagles
The upgrading issue is with North. Obviously, he has precisely 19 HCP. However:
1. The control count is 7. Using the three-and-a-third method of re-evaluation, he has 23-and-a-third, minus 19 is 4-and-a-third, which is a +1 upgrade already
2. He has a great quality 6-card suit. I would upgrade +1 or even +2 on this basis alone.
So far, you get to about a 21-22 count for notrump purposes.
For suit contract purposes, North has a 3-loser hand, which is sufficient in the abstract to open 2♣ and then rebid 3♣.
Thus, the hand is strong enough for a strong forcing 2♣ opening (even if that is not the best option) or for a 2NT opening (which I assume shows this range), and perhaps even a 2♣ opening followed by 2NT (23 HCP equivalence is not far off).
FWIW, I would have opened 2NT.
-P.J. Painter.
#13
Posted 2013-December-05, 15:22
eagles123, on 2013-December-05, 14:11, said:
Thanks,
Eagles
It seems odd that you play 2NT as forcing, but do not have any means of asking partner why he has bid it. Should there not be some way of finding out?
I don't want to get into methods, but I play something similar and would have been able to ascertain that pard had circa 19-20 points, six clubs and red stops after this start. There's not really much point playing it otherwise!
#14
Posted 2013-December-05, 15:34
Someone is going to have to overbid to get to a slam on these cards.I think Ken is overstating the case to call the North hand a 2♣ opener. I would never open the North hand 2♣. 2NT is not unreasonable.
#15
Posted 2013-December-05, 16:09
ArtK78, on 2013-December-05, 15:34, said:
Someone is going to have to overbid to get to a slam on these cards.I think Ken is overstating the case to call the North hand a 2♣ opener. I would never open the North hand 2♣. 2NT is not unreasonable.
Responder doesn't just luckily have the 10-9 in clubs. He has ALL the 10's (except in his A-K-Q suit). If a Jack is worth one point, then 10+10+109 seems worth something.
All Responder needs to do is a simple Puppet Stayman bid, finding out that partner does not have a 4+ major, and then bid 4NT. From there, North should have no problem accepting. If partner hedges with a 5♣ call, the 109x looks better.
-P.J. Painter.
#16
Posted 2013-December-05, 16:55
kenrexford, on 2013-December-05, 16:09, said:
All Responder needs to do is a simple Puppet Stayman bid, finding out that partner does not have a 4+ major, and then bid 4NT. From there, North should have no problem accepting. If partner hedges with a 5♣ call, the 109x looks better.
And why would responder be looking for slam with his 11 count (admittedly with lots of 10s and 9s) opposite a 20-21 HCP 2NT opener?
#17
Posted 2013-December-05, 17:09
PhilKing, on 2013-December-05, 15:22, said:
I don't want to get into methods, but I play something similar and would have been able to ascertain that pard had circa 19-20 points, six clubs and red stops after this start. There's not really much point playing it otherwise!
I play what the teacher tells me lol, it's only kinda basic system, so your methods might be useful pls
thanks,
Eagles
#18
Posted 2013-December-05, 18:25
ArtK78, on 2013-December-05, 16:55, said:
31-32 with lots of 10's and 9's looks pretty good for inviting to me, especially if my partner can have a hand with playing strength of this nature.
-P.J. Painter.
#19
Posted 2013-December-05, 22:42
kenrexford, on 2013-December-05, 18:25, said:
And if a passed hand issues a 4NT invite, the hand with the 6 clubs, that already upgraded itself to a 2NT opener, is going to take another call?
#20
Posted 2013-December-05, 23:32
ArtK78, on 2013-December-05, 22:42, said:
Obviously?
-P.J. Painter.