[gwnn]

PhilKing, on 2013-January-07, 20:53, said:

So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out?

I would, if I ever had enough time to have an agreement on it. I have no idea what I would take it as at the table I would double with those 3 heart tricks without thinking about this takeout double business. I would never bid 7S on partner's hand, and I haven't even seen it.

[fromageGB]

dwar0123, on 2013-January-07, 14:30, said:

I believe you need both suits to split to make 7, so which one you are in is rather immaterial.

Not exactly true,because if trumps break badly there is nothing you can do. If your side suit breaks badly, dummy will be short, so you possibly can ruff one to make them all good. So pick the suit that is less likely to break badly.

[32519]

Lord Molyb, on 2013-January-06, 12:55, said:

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Spot cards approximated.
How do you bid this?

Any idea what the other 3 hands looked like?

[Lord Molyb]

32519, on 2013-January-08, 09:47, said:

Any idea what the other 3 hands looked like?

Nope, sorry
All I know is that 7 of one of the minors made.

[32519]

In a different thread, someone suggested opening 5NT as "pick a minor suit slam" with a hand such as this one. I think it may have been Vampyr who made the suggestion. Over whichever minor partner picks, raise to 7. Nice and easy!

[fromageGB]

32519, on 2013-January-13, 01:00, said:

In a different thread, someone suggested opening 5NT as "pick a minor suit slam" with a hand such as this one. I think it may have been Vampyr who made the suggestion. Over whichever minor partner picks, raise to 7. Nice and easy!

Not so good, though. Once you announce you have both minors and are slamming, you give plenty of room for opponents to cooperate and jump in. Start with a 7 bid and they will not know the extreme 2-suited nature of the hand, nor will they have room to discuss their fits.

[Fluffy]

fromageGB, on 2013-January-13, 04:11, said:

Not so good, though. Once you announce you have both minors <snip> opening 5NT <snip> they have room to discuss their fits.

Flats on your country must be even smaller than in Spain.

[Zelandakh]

You could try playing 5NT as 2 places to play rather than specifically the minors...

[fromageGB]

My point is that bidding 5NT announces that you are extremely 2-suited and want to play a slam. LHO can then more easily realise his side have a good chance in one of the other suits, as a make or a sensible sacrifice. It is easy for him then to double, forcing to a fit in his partner's best, if he himself does not have a good long suit.

Contrast this with an immediate 7♦ bid, which may be and usually is single suited. Now there is much less of a chance of finding a fit with partner, so bidding is inhibited.

[Lovera]

It needs three card in a minor and two in the other one to sure slam with 21 points available and high possibility of opening by opp (and bidding go slowly..).

[RedSpawn]

Lord Molyb, on 2013-January-06, 12:55, said:

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Spot cards approximated.
How do you bid this?

The better question is exactly what information do you need from your partner to make your final bid? None. If you want to know fit with your partner, it will come at the price of opposition disturbing the auction and finding a major fit.

I say 7 ♦

[Vampyr]

32519, on 2013-January-13, 01:00, said:

In a different thread, someone suggested opening 5NT as "pick a minor suit slam" with a hand such as this one. I think it may have been Vampyr who made the suggestion. Over whichever minor partner picks, raise to 7. Nice and easy!

Not exactly. Partner bids six with no winner in a minor and seven with a winner. On this hand it doesn't work.