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I wish I knew how to quit you, GIB
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Posted 2012-September-04, 20:36
Revised Bridge Personality: 44 43 33 44
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Posted 2012-September-05, 06:14
What is it you're getting at on this deal? Can't seem to find the problem, unless it's the 4S bid you're getting at, but that looks to me like taking a reasonable view given the description of the 2S overcall.
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Posted 2012-September-05, 06:38
You mean your silly bidding- you have to bid 3♣- hopefully GIB won't let you stop short of slam. GIB makes silly bids but this isn't one of them.
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Posted 2012-September-05, 09:53
cloa513, on 2012-September-05, 06:38, said:
You mean your silly bidding- you have to bid 3♣- hopefully GIB won't let you stop short of slam. GIB makes silly bids but this isn't one of them.
Ah! But surely we can't blame South for not supporting clubs with a flat minimum and only 3 of them?
North with an extremely-likely double fit and good controls, plus the singleton spade, ought to do something over 4S, but I've no idea what. 5C? 5H? 4NT? How you get GIB to predict this and bid 2NT/some heart raise on the previous round I've no idea.
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Posted 2012-September-05, 11:08
Would doubling 2♠ have been a support double?
Answering my own question: No. One player did it and it's defined as 2-C and biddable S.
Answering my own question: No. One player did it and it's defined as 2-C and biddable S.
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Posted 2012-September-05, 11:16
I hate that the description of the double is exactly the same as the description of the 1♥ bid. Doesn't South's pass and double restrict his hand in any way?
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Posted 2012-September-05, 11:19
I think I blame it mostly on the loose description of the 4S call. If West can only have 2s like the explanation says, penalty can be juicier. Perhaps if it simulates with West having 4+ spades it would see greater upside in bidding on.
Also probably there should be a bit looser suit quality requirements for North trying say a 5c call.
Also probably there should be a bit looser suit quality requirements for North trying say a 5c call.
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Posted 2012-September-05, 11:21
Bbradley62, on 2012-September-05, 11:08, said:
Would doubling 2♠ have been a support double?
No. Support doubles only apply after 1 over 1 auctions, not 2 over 1 auctions. They only apply when one has the option of raising partner's 1 level response to the 2 level, to distinguish 3 and 4 cd support. In 2/1 auctions this double of 2s is traditionally penalty, since one has a forcing pass available.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 08:30
cloa513, on 2012-September-05, 06:38, said:
You mean your silly bidding- you have to bid 3♣- hopefully GIB won't let you stop short of slam. GIB makes silly bids but this isn't one of them.
3♣, in GIB's system, apparently guarantees four. Of course I considered doing it anyway, but it doesn't seem much of a distortion to pass with a flat 12-count; I would hardly characterize it as "silly."
Revised Bridge Personality: 44 43 33 44
Dianne, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies... --Agent Dale Cooper
Dianne, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies... --Agent Dale Cooper
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Posted 2012-September-08, 17:07
ahydra, on 2012-September-05, 09:53, said:
Ah! But surely we can't blame South for not supporting clubs with a flat minimum and only 3 of them?
North with an extremely-likely double fit and good controls, plus the singleton spade, ought to do something over 4S, but I've no idea what. 5C? 5H? 4NT? How you get GIB to predict this and bid 2NT/some heart raise on the previous round I've no idea.
ahydra
North with an extremely-likely double fit and good controls, plus the singleton spade, ought to do something over 4S, but I've no idea what. 5C? 5H? 4NT? How you get GIB to predict this and bid 2NT/some heart raise on the previous round I've no idea.
ahydra
Yes you can- if you can't raise partner's unlimited forcing bid then don't even open- you have maximum working high card points in the 3 working suits.
"Cue" bidding mess as opponents preempt you out leaving partner in an awkward position- you could have real spades penalty.
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