18-19 bal and partner respond 3m preempt how weak is 3m
#1
Posted 2012-August-09, 23:50
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#2
Posted 2012-August-10, 00:35
Described to the opponents as weak but not broke ---or responding hand less than a limit raise.
#3
Posted 2012-August-10, 00:44
#4
Posted 2012-August-10, 02:12
In some partnerships I use 1m-2NT as a very weak raise.
#5
Posted 2012-August-10, 03:28
#6
Posted 2012-August-10, 03:39
JLOGIC, on 2012-August-10, 03:28, said:
Does this also mean that you think having a mixed raise is a bad idea if partner's opening cannot contain a balanced 18-19 hand, such as 1♦ in unbalanced diamond or Polish Club?
#7
Posted 2012-August-10, 04:00
#8
Posted 2012-August-10, 04:45
Cyberyeti, on 2012-August-10, 04:00, said:
That's the wrong way round. With 5-8 you are much more likely to have 3NT on, and you will want partner to play it.
We used to play 1m-2NT as 0-4 with 4/5 card support (diamonds) or 6 card support (clubs as our club is 2+) and 1m-3m as mixed. Now we have given up on 1C P 2NT because it almost never comes up and when it does partner is 18-19 balanced anyway and doesn't know what to do and we play 1C-2NT as FG balanced with clubs.
Back to the original question: as already said, you have to agree what 1m-3m means, there isn't a right or wrong answer.
#9
Posted 2012-August-10, 06:33
FrancesHinden, on 2012-August-10, 04:45, said:
Agreed theoretically, although memory issues have proved it better to play it this way round practically (for much the same reason as we won't play 1N-2N and 2N-3N as artificial even though they're theoretically better).
We also have less 18-19s than most people as we play our 2N as good 19-21
#10
Posted 2012-August-10, 07:09
Playing with an experienced partner in a non-partnership I would assume that 1m-3m non-vul can be quite weak and partner will pass most 18-19 bal. Vul however I would have assume that 3m is more of a mixed raise with a stiff while 2m is a chicken single raise only 4clubs for example). I had no clue if this POV was mainstream or not.
But ive asked some players and to my surprise most of them told me that even vul they play 3m as pure crap (their single/mixed raise is elsewhere) wich is the way I prefer in my reg partnership (even if the preempt raise is rare). xxx-x-xxxx-Kxxxx these are the hand with I just cant stand passing with even if -500 is likely.
Ps im not fond of 1m--2nt as a garbage raise since its much easier to double 2nt than to double 3m.
also
(1D)--P--(2Nt)--X
(3D)--3M become a free bid and can show some values wich might help the doubler bid game with a borderline great hand.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#11
Posted 2012-August-10, 07:35
benlessard, on 2012-August-10, 07:09, said:
also
(1D)--P--(2Nt)--X
(3D)--3M become a free bid and can show some values wich might help the doubler bid game with a borderline great hand.
It's less common if your 1m can't be a weak no trump because you're playing a weak no trump. It's less good when it's more likely to be a strong no trump. Also I suppose it's one thing in favour of playing 2N > 3♣.
#12
Posted 2012-August-10, 08:18
benlessard, on 2012-August-10, 07:09, said:
We are not going off-topic for two reasons:
1) It is your thread.
2) Inter-related agreements are relevant.
Using 1C-2D in this way wastes better ways of using that response, IMO. Some like WJR's, rev. Flannery, or Strong/natural (even if other JS are not strong) and feel one of those choices is more useful in their overall scheme.
#13
Posted 2012-August-10, 08:40
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#14
Posted 2012-August-10, 14:20
Zelandakh, on 2012-August-10, 03:39, said:
If opener is limited I think it's fine to play it as just a really wide range when NV. You lose some accuracy in partners saving capabilities I guess, but you put more pressure on them. But personally I think having a complete trash raise (ie, too weak to make game opposite 18-19 bal) is the one you should lose playing limited opening bids. Playing precision for instance I play 3D as wide range NV, and mixed vul. I cannot comment on polish club as I have no experience with it.
#15
Posted 2012-August-14, 21:28
Zelandakh, on 2012-August-10, 03:39, said:
It can be that you use 1♣ - 2♦ as the mixed raise but that over 1♦ you wish for 3♣ to be a natural invite (so that 2♣ can be GF). This means that you have more room in your 1♣ auctions where you _need_ to differentiate mixed and preemptive due to partner possibly being 18-19 balanced. If you can fit it in your system obviously having more raises is better. The problem (as always) is that you lose the possibility of using the bid for something else.
#16
Posted 2012-August-17, 08:02
#17
Posted 2012-August-17, 08:48
CSGibson, on 2012-August-10, 00:44, said:
What he said.