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A Surprising Turn of Events

#21 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2012-June-30, 10:48

3♦. Not only does it describe my hand, but it also makes it hard for them to compete to 3 of a rounded suit.
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Posted 2012-June-30, 16:31

View PostCSGibson, on 2012-June-30, 10:48, said:

3♦. Not only does it describe my hand, but it also makes it hard for them to compete to 3 of a rounded suit.

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Posted 2012-July-02, 23:32

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-June-29, 05:54, said:



Matchpoints. Your call?


Kindly post the full hand so that we can see whose advice was the best.

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Posted 2012-July-02, 23:51

View Post32519, on 2012-July-02, 23:32, said:

Kindly post the full hand so that we can see whose advice was the best.

Thank you.


Yes, because we'd all like to justify our bids based on the table result.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 06:40

Wouldn't want to leave anyone in suspense:



+130 was a poor matchpoint score, as +140 (even a couple of +170s) was available in spades, and apparently most Easts simply dialed it in with 2S after the overcall. It wasn't a total disaster though; those who opted to defend 1NT were disappointed since South was forced to make the desperation play of laying down the club ace.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 07:10

If you knew spades were 3-3, you would want to be in spades, if they're 4-2 might not play so well on a force or a diamond ruff if N has Hx trumps or Axx♦.

So all in all I think 3♦ is not a bad spot, you just got unlucky.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 08:36

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-July-03, 07:10, said:

If you knew spades were 3-3, you would want to be in spades, if they're 4-2 might not play so well on a force or a diamond ruff if N has Hx trumps or Axx♦.

So all in all I think 3♦ is not a bad spot, you just got unlucky.


I don't think diamonds play so well with a force either.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 11:11

This is 4 loser hand with good intermediates in the long suits.

I'm bidding 3 ♦ to tell partner I have a big pointed suit 2 suiter. It'll give partner a really good picture of my hand - a powerful hand 5-5 or better. Whatever partner holds, partner will have a good handle on what to do.


P. S. - Even after seeing the full hand I think 3 ♦ is still right. It didn't work out on this particular hand, but if partner had a ♣ switched for a ♦, you'd be making 5.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 13:06

View Postrmnka447, on 2012-July-03, 11:11, said:

P. S. - Even after seeing the full hand I think 3 ♦ is still right. It didn't work out on this particular hand, but if partner had a ♣ switched for a ♦, you'd be making 5.

Or if he had the ♠Q instead of the ♥Q, then 4♠ is very good.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 16:47

View PostPhil, on 2012-July-02, 23:51, said:

Yes, because we'd all like to justify our bids based on the table result.


View PostPhil, on 2012-July-03, 08:36, said:

I don't think diamonds play so well with a force either.



We dont try to justify our underbid by playing the hand poorly either, Phil.

Are you sure diamonds dont play good on a force defense even if they lead A from AJxxx ? Or did you mean making 2 overtricks is not good ? :P
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Posted 2012-July-03, 18:40


Daveharty writes "Matchpoints. Your call?"

IMO 2N = 10, 3♦ = 8, Double = 6
Double shows strength but may work badly with a such a shapely hand.
A suit bid shows shape but doesn't promise strength.
A 2N overcall is the traditional way to show both shape and power.

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Posted 2012-July-03, 19:31

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-July-03, 06:40, said:

those who opted to defend 1NT were disappointed

After we X, West pulls to 2♥ and I guess we bid 3♦ now for the same end result.
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Posted 2012-July-03, 20:27

I would either X or bid 3 ♦ ;)
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