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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2012-June-20, 03:34



Playing Cornish club, partner opens 1C, showing 2+ cards (you open this with all 11-15 balanced hands). After the double, your partner insists that 1S is not forcing despite your best efforts to convince him otherwise, and duly passes it (2C would be a GF relay starter, so according to partner all other calls are not forcing). RHO jumps a few levels to 5D, apparently showing a good hand.

Your call? Objections to the published methods are duly noted. Partner would usually have exactly 3 spades to pass 1S here. If you want to make it more realistic, assume partner responded 1NT showing 11+-15.
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Posted 2012-June-20, 03:40

It would be helpful to know what he passes with :) When I started out, in my club everyone played 1S as 5+ cards, 8-10 hcp or so (generalised negative free bid) so they passed it with all weak no trumps and many hands with short hands.

Anyway, this is an obvious pass, probably even if pass guarantees 3 spades.
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Posted 2012-June-20, 04:14

I would bid 5.

It's a funny auction. East did not want to pass out 1, so must be expecting to make - it's not a pre-emptive 5. I want to bid as we have 6-5 shape and can show both suits and let partner pass or correct.

But wouldn't be surprised if West bid now.
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Posted 2012-June-20, 06:40

Agree, east is bidding 5 to make it. If partner "usually has exactly three spades", I think 5 is a good bet. All the more so if partner is expected to bid 1NT with a diamond stopper.
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Posted 2012-June-20, 06:45

Partner "usually has exactly three spades" - could he also have an 11 count with clubs that he didn't want to bid again on?
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Posted 2012-June-20, 06:46

It's quite difficult, IMO. If partner has 3 aces we're probably looking at a slam, but what did RHO bid on? I might pass at this vulnerability, but if colors were reversed doubling or 5 are big possibilities.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-June-28, 02:02

What happened?
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Posted 2012-June-28, 06:51

Three cheers for the Cornish Club where 1!S is NF. Partner may still be driving his Model T. My guess is to bid my !H now, unless my RHO is a previous partner of the current partner I have now:)
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Posted 2012-June-29, 01:36

Thanks all for the responses. 5S or 5H made, 5D was 1down. I elected to defend. Partner had 3415 shape with both major suit aces. I told him to change our methods after this hand and make 1M forcing.
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Posted 2012-June-29, 06:28

At MP I would pass

at IMPS 5h if we are wrong odds are if we are wrong we arent going
down too much. Rhos was afraid of 3n so p has at least 1 ace and
rho is wide open in that suit (thus 5d). Since p has at least 1 ace
it might only take 1 more ace and the heart QJ to make 5, this
is not too much to ask and if we are right the gain is enormous
(this is not the case in mp where the % gain is probably small).
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Posted 2012-June-29, 20:55

View Postmcphee, on 2012-June-28, 06:51, said:

Three cheers for the Cornish Club

Will Cornwall be entering a separate team in the next European Championships? I'm sure Fantunes will be looking for another 'host' team...
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