[kgr]

We had a discussion at the bar (so I don't have a hand for this)

1H-2D
3D-3S (Edit: changed typo 2D to 3D)
3NT-4H

1H=5+cH
2D=4+cD; 10+
3D=4+cD; Does not promise extra's
What is 4H?:
- Proposal to play if opener is min with pnts in C (e.g.: 4351 with slam interest)
- Cue for D

[ahydra]

I think it depends on what 3H would have been? For example, if 3H is a cuebid, then this is probably to play (or choice of games, 4H/5D). On the other hand, if 3H is natural suggesting we play H rather than D, for example if 2D doesn't necessarily deny a H fit, then this should be a cuebid.

ahydra

[kgr]

Suppose you don't know what 3H is and even not that it is forcing
(That was what South told me)

[lalldonn]

Non-forcing slam invitation with a good doubleton heart and extra values, 4252 or 4261. Like a 4NT bid that wants to suggest hearts on the way.

[kgr]

lalldonn, on 2012-April-12, 12:26, said:

Non-forcing slam invitation with a good doubleton heart and extra values, 4252 or 4261. Like a 4NT bid that wants to suggest hearts on the way.

I didn't get support at the bar. Happy I get it her from our star . I thought that 4♥ as control for ♦ was very unlikely (Why not 4♣ or 4♦ then?) and I thought that 4♥ was passable. ("some" support from you because I didn't think it showed a 2c♥).

[jillybean]

kgr, on 2012-April-12, 10:48, said:

We had a discussion at the bar (so I don't have a hand for this)

1H-2D
2D-3S
3NT-4H

1H=5+cH
2D=4+cD; 10+
3D=4+cD; Does not promise extra's
What is 4H?:
- Proposal to play if opener is min with pnts in C (e.g.: 4351 with slam interest)
- Cue for D

How long have you been at the bar?

What is 3S after the insufficient 2D?

[kgr]

jillybean, on 2012-April-12, 14:28, said:

How long have you been at the bar?

What is 3S after the insufficient 2D?

I changed it to 3D

[Siegmund]

I was thinking 3S -> ostensibly inviting 3NT, but after pulling, 4H sounds like "a cuebid for diamonds, and 3S was a cuebid too even though it didnt sound like it at the time."

I remember a bunch of posts in the past where jdonn played a whole lot of 4M bids as non-forcing slam invitations / encouraging COGs where it wouldn't have occurred to me to do it that way. It makes quite a bit of sense here, but isn't what I'd assume without discussion.

[Zelandakh]

I think a 3♥ rebid should be natural and 4♥ is then either Kickback (if played) or a cue bid (if not).

[BillPatch]

Zelandakh, on 2012-April-19, 08:14, said:

I think a 3♥ rebid should be natural and 4♥ is then either Kickback (if played) or a cue bid (if not).

If I had agreed ♥ with a 3♥ rebid, I would think my 4♥ a game suggestion.

I assume you meant that after the original auction 4♥ would be defined as you stated.

[Zelandakh]

BillPatch, on 2012-April-19, 23:12, said:

I assume you meant that after the original auction 4♥ would be defined as you stated.

That is correct. I was answering the two points raised by the OP, that he did not know what a 3♥ rebid would have been and what 4♥ should be on the 3rd round. As far as I am aware the auction 1♥ - 2♦; 3♦ - 3♥; 4♥ was never raised but yes, I would agree with your interpretation of it, a minimum opener unexcited by the double-fit.