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#1
Posted 2012-April-04, 09:04
Does anyone know anything about this convention or where I can find it? Not listed under "Bridge Guys" Would it be General Chart in the ACBL or something else. Is it OK for use at the Club Level?
#3
Posted 2012-April-04, 10:45
Maybe it would be useful to tell us the context in which you came across the term, so we might figure out whether it is a convention, a theory, an evaluation tool, a mis-hearing, or what.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
#4
Posted 2012-April-04, 15:25
I found this. Apparently it stands for Transfers Over NT. After RHO opens 1NT
X = penalty
2♣ = majors
2NT = minors
2♦/♥/♠/3♣ = transfer.
It means the opening lead always comes from the strong hand.
X = penalty
2♣ = majors
2NT = minors
2♦/♥/♠/3♣ = transfer.
It means the opening lead always comes from the strong hand.
A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem Albert Einstein
#5
Posted 2012-April-04, 15:39
So I suppose the acronym is for Transfers Over No Trump. (Oops, I see from the above that it does) From the name I had thought it might be Topple Opponents No Trump or Trash Opponents No Trump in contrast with Disturb Opponents No Trump.
This was a popular treatment some 25 years ago and then it sort of died out. Here is my take on why. If opponents are not ready for it, then it can be effective. This is true of many conventions. But once it became popular, players started taking advantage of its weakness.
Imagine you are the team oppening the NT.
1NT-(2D), showing hearts. If you have discussed it, third hand, your partner, can bid 2H to show spades. He can also pass and balance later with 2S to show spades and maybe something else. He can double the 2D to show whatever you have decided it shows. For example, doubling 2D might show generl strength, after which when fourth had bids hearts a double by either is penalty. etc.It's not essential to agrree with these meanings. Maybe the double of 2D should be Stayman, showing four spades. Whatever. At any rate, I think that the verdict was that once the counter moves started rolling in, the approach did not carry its weight.
At any rate it had its fifteen months of fame and then faded from the scene.
This was a popular treatment some 25 years ago and then it sort of died out. Here is my take on why. If opponents are not ready for it, then it can be effective. This is true of many conventions. But once it became popular, players started taking advantage of its weakness.
Imagine you are the team oppening the NT.
1NT-(2D), showing hearts. If you have discussed it, third hand, your partner, can bid 2H to show spades. He can also pass and balance later with 2S to show spades and maybe something else. He can double the 2D to show whatever you have decided it shows. For example, doubling 2D might show generl strength, after which when fourth had bids hearts a double by either is penalty. etc.It's not essential to agrree with these meanings. Maybe the double of 2D should be Stayman, showing four spades. Whatever. At any rate, I think that the verdict was that once the counter moves started rolling in, the approach did not carry its weight.
At any rate it had its fifteen months of fame and then faded from the scene.
Ken
#6
Posted 2012-April-04, 21:13
Thank you for your replies to my first question. Would the convention - if being used - legal in the ACBL under the General Chart or would it be Mid-Chart or above? Would it be a legal bid at the Game Level?
I believe the pair is using what STATTO replied. Again Thanks
I believe the pair is using what STATTO replied. Again Thanks
#7
Posted 2012-April-04, 22:04
What Statto described is GCC legal.
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#9
Posted 2012-April-05, 23:18
Ethel, on 2012-April-04, 09:04, said:
Does anyone know anything about this convention or where I can find it? Not listed under "Bridge Guys" Would it be General Chart in the ACBL or something else. Is it OK for use at the Club Level?
I have used the following system for many years-but it is alertable......... one has to remember what position one is in at the table
you are either in 2nd position or 4th position-who/which opp opens 1n/t {whether it is weak 12-14 or 15-17}
If right hand opp opens 1n/t as 2nd position you have x=penalty--2 cl asks pard for a 4 card major-if no=2d,wing it from there----2d=transfer to hts--2hts=transfer to spades--2n/t= minors...........
If l/h opp opens 1n/t {your pard is in 2nd position the above applies..but if pard passes the 1n/t and other opp passes
you are now in 4th position you have Stayman,asks pard for a 4 card major if no bid 2d and wing it from there--2d/2h/2sp natural
and 2n/t=minors............... these bids are being competitive not game/slam going.
also a x in 4th position penalty is also available
#10
Posted 2012-April-05, 23:38
Ethel, on 2012-April-04, 21:13, said:
Thank you for your replies to my first question. Would the convention - if being used - legal in the ACBL under the General Chart or would it be Mid-Chart or above? Would it be a legal bid at the Game Level?
I believe the pair is using what STATTO replied. Again Thanks
I believe the pair is using what STATTO replied. Again Thanks
To expand on the answer you were given, check out the ACBL Convention Charts.
Note under competitive, 7b (Defense to):
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Natural notrump opening bids and notrump overcalls, except that direct
calls, other than double and two clubs must have at least one known suit.
calls, other than double and two clubs must have at least one known suit.
Since it appears that the bids above 2♣ all have a known suit, this is allowed.
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