[wclass___]

unfavourable, 2nd seat

♠ void
♥ QJ98xxx
♦ J987
♣ Jx

[jogs]

This is a piece of junk. Still I'm willing to open 3H(7-4 is worth something) and pass throughout afterwards.

[han]

Me too.

[tolvyrj]

Pass, one opp has already passed and now prd may have good cards in his hands, i dont wanna pre-empt my prd.

[Gerben42]

Although I have 7-4, I have 7 losers. At unfavourable partner will raise my preempt with three cover cards and you have to ask yourself if you want that. For me either the low road (2♥) or the high road (3♥) but leaning towards the low road. I am not passing and that seems to be the most important thing: If opps settle for some number of ♠, you will be inclined to bid with this hand if you passed early. Better bid first and THEN pass.

[ahydra]

I'd probably bid 2H in a bad mood, 3H in a good mood. 2H feels pathetic with the nice shape and the heart intermediates but the vul and position are as wrong as you can get for making a light pre-empt - so it would totally depend on what I'm feeling like that day

ahydra

[FrancesHinden]

I would pass (other than in one partnership where I can open 2D showing a 'weak two in a major with a bad 7-card suit')

[whereagles]

The hand is extremely offensive. I would open 3H, but even the tamest of bidders should at least consider opening 2H.

[rogerclee]

I've tried bidding 2H on hands like this for awhile and it just seems ineffective, so put me down for 3H. Pass seems very strange to me, not sure why I would want to play a style where a hand with 7 reasonable hearts and a spade void should pass.

[JLOGIC]

I would bid 2H

[gszes]

if the bidding were to go say
p p p 1d
p 1h p 2d

even with my 4 dia I would rebid my 7 bagger in hearts
because it is our best shot at game. Thinking that way
we are probably best served by warning p about the
1 suited nature of our hand asap and start with

2h

[rogerclee]

forget it lol

[wclass___]

I opened 3♥, which partner raised to 4 with

♠ AKJ42
♥ A2
♦ Q854
♣ Qx

and it went down 3.

[dake50]

Is partner trained/agreed to ignore all but Spade Ace?
Demote all but A/K in minors?
Need to have Heart A/K/Qxx+ to raise?
Then I'll try 3H.

[Fluffy]

IMO unfavourable sencond sit preempts are more descriptive than preemptive, I have no real descriptive bid avaible, so I would pass.

If having to pick between 3♥ and 2♥ I think 3♥ makes more justice to the offense potential of the hand.

[rogerclee]

Even though it seems stupid to go a freely bid down 3, it's not like partner was passing 2H (imo), and even if he did, sounds like we might have gone down 1 in 2H anyway lol, so lose 3 or 5 is not a huge deal. On a better day partner would have the same hand, but LHO wouldn't be able to resist sticking in 3S with QT9xx x AK AT9xx. Unsurprisingly, preempting tends to be ineffective when partner has AKJxx in your void.

[sasioc]

3♥. I like my suit (good intermediates) and I have great shape. It's a bit light in terms of playing strength but if I open 2♥ and oppo overcall 3♠ partner is not likely to bid 4♥ when it's right. I also won't feel great on an auction like

p 2♥ 2♠ 3♥
3♠

where I'll feel I have to bid 4♥ but know that oppo are now reasonably well-placed to do the right thing compared with if I'd opened at the 3 level.

[gnasher]

rogerclee, on 2012-January-01, 15:06, said:

Even though it seems stupid to go a freely bid down 3, it's not like partner was passing 2H (imo), and even if he did, sounds like we might have gone down 1 in 2H anyway lol, so lose 3 or 5 is not a huge deal.

If you pass you might get to 2♥. I see that wclass__ lost six tricks, but that's a bit unlucky - they have to find their ruff, and ♥K has to be offside.

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Unsurprisingly, preempting tends to be ineffective when partner has AKJxx in your void.

True, but when RHO passes in first seat at favourable and you have a spade void, it's not such a surprise to find partner with length and strength in spades.

[whereagles]

The cards don't look at colours. A hand is offensive or defensive regardless of vulnerability and should be treated accordingly. Vulnerability only changes the level of opening and here 2H is perfectly reasonable.

[wclass___]

gnasher, on 2012-January-01, 17:43, said:

I see that wclass__ lost six tricks, but that's a bit unlucky - they have to find their ruff, and ♥K has to be offside.

He he. Actually if one opens with 2♥ then bidding would probably go:
2♥-[X]-XX-2[♠]
Pass-[Pass]-X-PPP,

which (obviously) makes. I am not sure my partner will understand ''we got a bit unlucky''.