[mck4711]

IMP, non, vul, SAYC, RHO dealer and opens

You have
♠ KT9xxx
♥ Q
♦ -
♣ QJ98xx

RHO bids 1♦

So, here we go: Michael's Cuebid (2♦) shows 5-5 in majors, Unusual 2NT shows the 2 lower ranking unbid suits, ie ♣ and ♥ (5-5), according to standard-SAYC. Maybe a simple ♠-overcall, and maybe I can bid later ♣, or just pass?

What are your considerations and what is your call?

[aguahombre]

My considerations are the same as yours hope we don't get into other pet gadgets and people just use their judgement with what is given. Having no judgement myself, I am interested also.

[whereagles]

I play a gadget that shows clubs + major over 1D. In its absence, I bid 1S I guess.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 mck4711, on 2011-September-04, 13:38, said:

IMP, non, vul, SAYC, RHO dealer and opens

You have
♠ KT9xxx
♥ Q
♦ -
♣ QJ98xx

RHO bids 1♦

Bailey cuebids... works similarly as Michaels but always gets the ♠ suit into the action:

(1x) - 2NT shows the two lowest unbid suits always ( the typical Un2NT )
(1m) - 2m shows spades and one of the two suits shown by 2NT
(1H) - 2H ditto, ( exactly the same as Micheals )
(1S) - 2S shows hearts and one of the two suits shown by 2NT, ( exactly the same as Michaels )

So, for this hand:
( 1D ) - 2D! = ♠ and either ♣ or ♥

[jmcw]

 whereagles, on 2011-September-04, 13:57, said:

I play a gadget that shows clubs + major over 1D. In its absence, I bid 1S I guess.

OK 1♠ it is. I'll bite let's see the gadget.

[Cyberyeti]

I play UNT, 1♦-3♦ majors, 1♦-2♦ blacks, so would bid 2♦.

Without this, I would probably bury the clubs and bid 3♠. I prefer this to 1♠ as I may not have a clue what to do if partner doubles them in several of a red suit and I've implied a lot more defence than I have. I suppose it depends how much you need for 1♠, but we keep ours pretty sound.

[aguahombre]

I don't think (I should stop right there). But I don't think pard is going to whack a partscore in a red suit at IMPS. 5 LTC hand for offense with just a tolerable fit. "Maybe light" checked in the overcall section of the CC, but I wonder if this is light.

If we overcall 1S, are we willing to bid 3C if it gets back at that level and pard has not burped? I am, but repeating I have no judgement.

[rduran1216]

I've never understood why people dont play top + another michaels

2D could be 5-5 majors or 5-5 blacks, and just use a 2nt bid to ask, and direct bids of clubs or hearts shows preference

[aguahombre]

What I never understood was why some people, even when they offer their own tools as an alternative, also answer the OP's question, living with the conditions and providing extra for us to consider.

And some don't.

[jillybean]

I play 3♣ shows this hand, (higher M, lower m) , without this I bid 1♠

[neilkaz]

I have no gadget for this, and especially playing SAYC I have no gadget. I just bid 1♠ although perhaps preempting 2♠ could work out, but I hope the bidding stays low and I can get my ♣ into the bidding as well.

1♠ sans gadgets.

[Free]

There are many ways to show this type of hand, but you don't play any of them. So I'd just bid 1♠ which is normal procedure for "non-biddable" 2-suiters (as in "not in 1 call").

[VM1973]

I used to play that 2NT showed a two-suiter - the lowest unbid and one higher suit. All the same, I don't think I'd use it with this hand. I'd try 1♠.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

start with 1S, follow up with clubs, repeat clubs, with no
sign from p give up, if they bid over 3C, I will give up.

My considerations are simple - I have 6-6, I am green,
I try to get both suits across and the freakish nature.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

 jmcw, on 2011-September-04, 15:47, said:

OK 1♠ it is. I'll bite let's see the gadget.

Well, it's very simple:

(1m) 2NT = other minor + a major.

Follow-ups are also very simple:

3m = cue GF, asks for major.
3om = nat GF.
3/4M = pass/correct.
3NT = I feel lucky.

[whereagles]

 rduran1216, on 2011-September-04, 17:10, said:

I've never understood why people dont play top + another michaels

2D could be 5-5 majors or 5-5 blacks, and just use a 2nt bid to ask, and direct bids of clubs or hearts shows preference

I prefer to keep 2D just as majors because that allows some bidding on 5-4s.

[awm]

I will bid some number of spades with this hand. Probably 3♠ is about right.

Yes, this potentially loses a club fit. However, it is often difficult to bid spades first and back in with clubs later since this bumps the auction a level. Bidding 3♠ works out really well if spades is our best fit (putting opponents under pressure) and also works out reasonably if we have no huge fit (say partner is 2-3 in the blacks). If it's a true misfit, almost anything could lead to disaster but 3♠ will often work better than 1♠...some number of clubs (which might get partner excited thinking we have values, or cause us to be backing in at an even higher level after opponents have exchanged information). Only when we have a really big club fit (and not much of a spade fit) does 3♠ rate to work out poorly, and even then the opponents may have some difficulties (for example not being able to balancing double due to too many spades and too few clubs).

[gnasher]

I'd bid 1♠. 4♠ is vaguely tempting, but the spades aren't that great, and ♥Q is a defensive card. 3♠ has too much risk of missing a game.

 aguahombre, on 2011-September-04, 13:43, said:

hope we don't get into other pet gadgets and people just use their judgement with what is given

That worked well, didn't it?

[aguahombre]

 aguahombre, on 2011-September-04, 13:43, said:

hope we don't get into other pet gadgets and people just use their judgement with what is given.

 gnasher, on 2011-September-05, 10:50, said:

That worked well, didn't it?

Well, I worded it poorly. I should have said I hope we don't "just" get into other gadgets.
Most posters who volunteered their pets, also answered the question.

[Zelandakh]

I have a gadget for specific 2-suiters too so would bid 2S showing the blacks and weak (sorry aqua). Given the more standard methods from the OP I can still bid 2S as a weak jump and then make an "unexpected" bid of clubs if the bidding comes back at a reasonable level and it seems like a good idea. This seems to be a decent mix of immediate preemption while preserving a little space to show the second suit.