Fluffy, on 2011-August-26, 08:21, said:
To Inquiry: Ben, your partner needs a really special nose in this matters if you even think it is possible that he will only bid 3♥ with an average 4.33♥
EDIT: I see you even suggest he should bid 3♥ with the current hand, can't understand it.
Response about MisIry to Fluffy. Others may not be interested in the answer to his questions about this part.
Even if he rebid 4
♥, the rebid of 5
♣ by opener would still result in the same grand is reached. But first, consider with a heart fit and a desire to a) be in game opposite a heart preempt, or b) a desire to raise the preempt how the bidding would go. The MisIry PDF addresses this issue of when to raise and when to go slow.
1. Completing the Transfer. Responder should "raise" (jump in next suit) the preempt whenever it is appropriate to do so. When might it not be appropriate? If both opponents have passed already and you are very weak, it is likely that partner has the strong hand so you might want to go slow. When your own holding in the preempt suit makes it perfectly clear that partner must hold the strong hand and you have possible or known fit of his second suit.
When partner opening is 3
♦'s and you are weak with both
♥'s and
♠ 's you might not worry as much about bidding 4
♥'s as five or a minor is a long way
off for them.
2. Raising the Preempt level. When you are weak and fit for both the suit opened and the transfer suit, or when you fit all suits but the suit opened, you should raise the preempt. When you are strong and you risk missing 4
♥ (or 4
♠) contract if partner is weak, you should raise the preempt or bid a new suit forcing if you have slam ambition opposite the preemptive style hand.
With the given hand, partner would jump to 4
♥ because A) afraid he would miss game, and B) has fit for the other suits (besides one opened) so no problem if partner has the two suited hand. The rules for this situation (after the raise of the suit) is given in the PDF file, along with
(amazingly enough) an example hand from a world class event with this very auction (open 3
♦, jump to 4
♥. I will show that hand below, but first the rule when the auction doesn't follow the complete the transfer issue and how the auction would go here with the jump raise:
After the jump raise: Note, the cheapest rebid [after the "jump raise"] shows 3 or 4 losers, then 2 losers, etc until you get back on the normal schedule of responses. The same rules about with or without cheapest side suit loser applies... if room for two bids exists at same level, lower shows need (non=specific) for [cheapest side suit] control there, higher [step], no need, etc.
So on this hand, the bidding would have been...
3D = 4H
?
4S would be diamond/spade two suiter, 3/4 losers
4NT would be club/diamond two suiter, 3/4 loser
5C would be club/diamond two suiter, no room to seperate where covers are needed.
5D and higher as if responder had bid 3
♥
Over 5C looking at KQ of clubs, responder would still know what to bid with two covers (and great fit as a bonus).
Now for the hand from the PDF.
S AJ98
H AJ52
D 3
C QJ32
S 6 S Q72
H KQ93 H T864
D Q75 D T42
C KT987 C 654
S KT543
H 7
D AKJ986
C A
This hand occurred in an expert team game (it was a JEC match on BBO) composed of players who all compete internationally. Both expert partnerships reached the 4
♠. They got there by different routes. At one table South opened 1
♠ and his partner bid 2
♣, South jumped to 3
♦, his partner bid 4
♠ and the auction died. At the second table, south opened 1
♦ and west overcalled 2
♣. After a negative double by north, south bid 4
♠ ending the story. In the PDF I give two auction, one where north jumps to 4
♥ and one were he doesn't. Here is the one where he does jump along with the explanations.
3
♦ (A1) −− 4
♥ (A2)
4
♠ (A3) −− 5
♥ (A4)
5N (A5) −− 6
♠ (A6)
A1
♥ preempt or two suiter with
♦ and a black suit
A2 hope I can make game opposite
♥ preempt, and I have both
♠ and
♣ support if partner has two suiter without hearts. [IF I didn't think i could make game, due to my long spades I would rebid only 3
♥.]
A3 3 or 4 losers,
♦/
♠ two suiter
A4. heart ACE, no club ace or king (with
♥ K we would bid 4NT). Remember if you want to insist on playing
♥'s after 3
♦ you must start 3NT not jump raise.
A5. heart ace is good, not off two clubs, in fact, I have
♣A or void, and I am missing both major queens
A6 You might bid this way this three losers when the
♥ A doesn't work as well. But you have four losers, the
♥A, both queens [in your suits] and
♠A, or three losers where the
♥A is useless. Still good slam. Seven might have a good play if you have six spades or the jack, but 6
♠ is surely a good spot.
The above discussion covers things not discussed earlier in this thread (and would have been out of the scope of the initial post/reply... but is the reason I attached the PDF so if question cropped up I could show how the system would work given the subsequent auction without claims of changing the method). These items include the meaning of 4NT cue bid (not made, but related to 5
♥ bid, what to do when partner opens one of these bids and you KNOW from your hand he is two suited because you have 7 or 8 cards in the suit he would have if he is weak and you want to play in your long suit rather than one of his suits (answer bid 3NT then rebid your long suit). This means 5
♥ here is not an offer to play hearts. And the meaning of openers 5NT rebids. I had thought I would need non-material cue-bids or it the opponents bid, and I wanted the document there to demonstrate the written method for dealing with those issues. It works just as well to demonstrate these points.
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