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Playing on the bridgebase play for free site, what is the meaning of 1C P 2C? I thought the default understanding was yellow card. Partners including robots play it as a big hand. Robot did it with 14 HCP. I normally play inverted minor raises, but that is by partnership agreement.
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Posted 2011-July-07, 12:18
losercover, on 2011-July-07, 12:06, said:
Playing on the bridgebase play for free site, what is the meaning of 1C P 2C? I thought the default understanding was yellow card. Partners including robots play it as a big hand. Robot did it with 14 HCP. I normally play inverted minor raises, but that is by partnership agreement.
The robots do play inverted minors. If you are going to play with the robots, you can check out their convention card at this link:
Gib convention card
In addition, when at the table, you can click the robots alert (I think) and see what the robot thinks his bid means. Fair warning, sometimes the robot makes a bid that is not closely related to what the alert (or convention card) explains.
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Posted 2011-July-09, 15:21
inquiry, on 2011-July-07, 12:18, said:
Fair warning, sometimes the robot makes a bid that is not closely related to what the alert (or convention card) explains.
Dont tell him this now please, too early !! Let him hammer/kick/punch/shoot... couple of pc and laptops first !
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Posted 2011-July-09, 15:37
inquiry, on 2011-July-07, 12:18, said:
In addition, when at the table, you can click the robots alert (I think) and see what the robot thinks his bid means.
This is not true when playing in an Express tournaments; then you can only preview your own prospective bids to see how your GIB partner would interpret them.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 10:44
Latest encounter with robot: Playing in a 8 board tournament. Through 7 boards, I have a 70%+ game. Last hand, I have 16 hcp and 6 spades. Robot opens and we go through a new NMF sequence with robot's response as a jump to 3S. I use RKC and we have all the key cards. I bid six and go down one with no chance to make. I get 10% on the board. In 4, making 5 gets an excellent board. Robot had 14 with 8 losers (unadjusted for controls). With my regular partner, we don't jump with more than 6 losers. I guess robot plays principal of fast arrival with 2S as the stronger hand.
I still haven't got a response regarding human players on a simple raise of a minor suit with no partnership understanding.
I still haven't got a response regarding human players on a simple raise of a minor suit with no partnership understanding.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 10:46
Not everyone is a robot and counts losers. GIB seems to be more human than you if that's how you evaluate every hand.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
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Posted 2011-July-11, 11:13
mtvesuvius, on 2011-July-11, 10:46, said:
Not everyone is a robot and counts losers. GIB seems to be more human than you if that's how you evaluate every hand.
Thanks for the insult. Hand evaluation is a very complex process and requires looking at a lof of variables. I don't expect the robot to play loser count. The issue is which bid shows the stronger hand; 2S, 3S or 4S?
Loser count only gives a hand's potential, not what should be bid. We will bid a game when the loser count is not right, but the points indicate that the field will be there. We do find games that aren't found by most of the field using our hand evaluation methods.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 11:52
I don't think what you posted is really a robot flaw. You have a 16-count and a six-bagger which you discover is fitted by partner's 3-card support and a good weak NT hand.
Of course, I don't know exactly what your 16'r consisted of. But, you would need a much more sophisticated system of follow-ups to NMF to discover the magic 29-30 Pt. slam if it exists. The answers to NMF in some styles could show the various distributions in addition to the max and 3-fit. Sounds like the bot might have been 3-(4-3-3).
If you can't determine whether partner (creature?) has the perfect cards, it is best not to hope they are there and take an anti-field action when having a good set.
Of course, I don't know exactly what your 16'r consisted of. But, you would need a much more sophisticated system of follow-ups to NMF to discover the magic 29-30 Pt. slam if it exists. The answers to NMF in some styles could show the various distributions in addition to the max and 3-fit. Sounds like the bot might have been 3-(4-3-3).
If you can't determine whether partner (creature?) has the perfect cards, it is best not to hope they are there and take an anti-field action when having a good set.
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Posted 2011-July-11, 12:11
losercover, on 2011-July-11, 10:44, said:
Latest encounter with robot: Playing in a 8 board tournament. Through 7 boards, I have a 70%+ game. Last hand, I have 16 hcp and 6 spades. Robot opens and we go through a new NMF sequence with robot's response as a jump to 3S. I use RKC and we have all the key cards. I bid six and go down one with no chance to make. I get 10% on the board. In 4, making 5 gets an excellent board. Robot had 14 with 8 losers (unadjusted for controls). With my regular partner, we don't jump with more than 6 losers. I guess robot plays principal of fast arrival with 2S as the stronger hand.
I still haven't got a response regarding human players on a simple raise of a minor suit with no partnership understanding.
I still haven't got a response regarding human players on a simple raise of a minor suit with no partnership understanding.
I don't get this. Since you seem to place such emphasis on losers, why not mention how many your 16hcp hand had?
My understanding is that in a standardish 2/1 context with a strong NT a hand that opens, rebids 1N and jumps to 3M in response to nmf is showing a max weak NT, so about 14 high. Sounds like in this context gib is counting HCP, not losers; then again, I don't think that the programmers claim that it counts losers, do they?
Furthermore, it seems that having all the keycards does not guarantee slam. who knew?!
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