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Choice of Opening - 2C or not 2C?

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Posted 2011-May-23, 13:28

 campboy, on 2011-May-20, 12:00, said:

Opener doesn't have to do anything over 5. One advantage of opening 2 is that you are now in a forcing auction. Opener's bids here should show single-suited hands; if he needs help from partner to decide which strain to play in he can pass, which will get you to the right spot on this hand. I don't believe many pairs can bid a non-forcing 5 after 1 - 2 (5) anyway.


I would just love to hear partner bid 5 after opener chooses to pass over 5. It could be right to play in 5, but I don't believe it is likely to be right.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 00:42

try this for digesting---what types of hands has the 2cl opener got? answer

4 types of hands 1--a balanced type of n/t hand
2--a 2 suiter hand
3--a bagger single suited
4--a 8 trick hand,and does not want a 1 opener to be passed.
So get your block and tackle out-Stayman-major transfers Auto 2d bids over 2cl openers,
dependent what pard responds to your 2d bid

One other feature for advanced players is "Modified Norman" responses to 2cl openers

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Posted 2011-June-03, 00:54

 pirate22, on 2011-June-03, 00:42, said:

try this for digesting---what types of hands has the 2cl opener got? answer

4 types of hands 1--a balanced type of n/t hand
2--a 2 suiter hand
3--a bagger single suited
4--a 8 trick hand,and does not want a 1 opener to be passed.
So get your block and tackle out-Stayman-major transfers Auto 2d bids over 2cl openers,
dependent what pard responds to your 2d bid

One other feature for advanced players is "Modified Norman" responses to 2cl openers

if you want the last info-send me an e-mail N/C :) apirate1881@yahoo.co.uk 98% success rate

Maybe I missed some new developments in the 2 method, but as far as I know a very strong 3-suiter (5440/4441/5431) is also opened 2... :rolleyes:
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Posted 2011-June-03, 01:30

I have this agreement with a partner of mine:

Kokish relay

2c - 2d relay
With a strong nt GF (+24 po) hand opener bids 2h relay to 2s, followed by 2nt = monster hand. System on

2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - now 3h means strong with hearts
2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - 3d or 3c means hearts + the minor bid (at least 5-4)
2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - 3s means hearts + spades (at least 5-4)

We never used it in practice though :) As it happened no GF two suiter came our way during the past two years.

So this hand could be
2c - 2d
2h (relay to 2s) - 2s (forced)
3d (showing hearts + diamonds at least 5-4)

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Posted 2011-June-03, 01:38

2c

but I understand the forum hates to open 2c with strong 2 suited hands.
We are close to an adjusted 2 loserhand.


1) If pard bids 2h denying a or k we wont miss slam(pard never has perfect cards)
2) 2h over 2d gf.
3) of course pard will still play us for 4 losers.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 15:08

It's a really nice hand but it doesn't have spades. 2-2-p (random GF)-3 and you're in great shape. Is 4NT "two places to play?" 5NT "Pick a slam, I'll correct clubs"? Also, as it turns out, it doesn't have clubs. 2-X-p-5 isn't unheard of.

1 then however many diamonds are necessary will get the point across, even against a spade barrage. It might end up in 5 rather than 6 (or 6 rather than 7), but at least it will get to the right strain.

I guess it depends how often your opponents come in at unfavourable over a 2 opening. I will admit that given that it is the worst case for them, and IMPs, that improves the chance that 2 will be safe.
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Posted 2011-June-03, 17:24

 mcphee, on 2011-May-23, 07:15, said:

1H for me thanks, this does not fit into a 2C bid group for me. I doubt the auction will go all pass, it rarely does.

Agreed, particularly given that I'm opening 1 and only have 2 spades, is much more likely to be passed out if one of my suits is spades and opps have to rescue me at the 2 level. Also in my normal partnership we do tend to respond fairly light, so if partner has the spades he's quite likely to bid them if he has anywhere near a response.
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Posted 2011-June-09, 21:46

agree Free a 3 suiter--- and i like the
Kokish responses.
apart from that i still open 2cl
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Posted 2011-June-10, 10:06

I'd open 2D multi. This includes major-diamond two-suiters for me.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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