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pass or preference I always feel my choice is wrong

Poll: pass or preference (39 member(s) have cast votes)

your choice:

  1. 2H is WTP, Pass is terrible (36 votes [92.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 92.31%

  2. 2H is best, Pass is OK (2 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

  3. 2H is marginally better than Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Pass is marginally better than 2H (1 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

  5. Pass is best, 2H is OK (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Pass is WTP, 2H is terrible (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2011-March-18, 00:17

Playing ordinary 2/1:

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Posted 2011-March-18, 04:03

passing is a shooting offence
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Posted 2011-March-18, 04:25

2H. Easy.
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Posted 2011-March-18, 04:28

OP said:

I always feel my choice is wrong


So stop passing and bid 2♥, then you'll always feel your choice is right :P
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Posted 2011-March-18, 04:57

When making this decision, it can help to consider that partner may have a strongish hand (16-17 HCP) with 3541 distribution who is planning to bid 2♠ over your 2♥ (false) preference.

If you are happy to play in 2♦ when he has this hand, then passing becomes a stronger option.

That is clearly not the case here.
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Posted 2011-March-18, 08:14

When you've got 5 of your own suit, the preference is compellingly better - you still have one chance left of getting to a 5-3 fit. Even with 2 hearts and 4 diamonds you may be willing to bid 2H when you are hoping to hear from partner again (i.e. you are near-maximum and/or have 5 spades.)
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Posted 2011-March-18, 09:37

2H is beyond completely automatic
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Posted 2011-March-19, 00:03

Another reason to take preference is that minimum hands tend to play better in 5-2 fits than 4-3. It's possible that opener is 5-5, but you shouldn't expect it. And he also could be 6-4 with extra values.

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Posted 2011-March-19, 03:06

View Postbarmar, on 2011-March-19, 00:03, said:

Another reason to take preference is that minimum hands tend to play better in 5-2 fits than 4-3. It's possible that opener is 5-5, but you shouldn't expect it. And he also could be 6-4 with extra values.

With these 3rd and 4th hand sequences, partner should have raised spades with 3 and diamonds could easily be 5, 1NT was available so pass is best. Others are bidding opening and 2nd hand sequences.
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Posted 2011-March-20, 15:56

View Postcloa513, on 2011-March-19, 03:06, said:

With these 3rd and 4th hand sequences, partner should have raised spades with 3 and diamonds could easily be 5, 1NT was available so pass is best. Others are bidding opening and 2nd hand sequences.

My bidding with 5431 hands is pretty much the same in all seats.

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Posted 2011-March-21, 05:44

2H is a wtp.

#1 5-2 fits play usually better than 4-3 fits
#2 given that you are still interested oppossite a 16/17 count,
2H keeps the bidding alive
#3 opener may bid 2S the next round

Any of the above listed reasons are justifiying a 2H response,
you and all are valid for the given hand.

#4 depening on your agreement set, the 2D bid may have been made
on a 3 card suit.

This is most likely not relevant for partnerships from North America.

#5 If you always make the wrong decision, than making always the same,
ensures, that you right a reasonable amount of time.

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