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there is a call we have xx that creates a force. Therefore 3s here is a desparation run out. Opposite a p who makes sounds preemtps I would pass since there is no guarantee my spades will work any better than diamonds.
Still forcing or not ?
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Posted 2011-January-06, 06:47
I guess 3♠ is still forcing. Lets all play transfers like we do after 1X-(Dbl) 
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Posted 2011-January-06, 10:35
3♠ is forcing. I can buy this call being a lead director - AQJx xx xxx xxxx; but to play it as specifically 'fitted' really cuts down on the frequency.
Transfers do not make much sense to me. We are not in a constructive posture when RHO doubles, so do we really need a lot of different ways to bid spades? Do we need to show two suiters here? Do we need to offer the preemptor a choice between 4♠ and 3N? I do not like the idea of allowing my LHO to double the transfer call.
If you want to make one tweak, play redouble as some sort of McCabe, where opener bids the next 'strain' (here 3♥). It might be useful for a runout when you don;t trust partner's preempts, or you suspect your suit will play better. Redouble as natural makes little sense to me. All it does it slow down the opponents.
Transfers do not make much sense to me. We are not in a constructive posture when RHO doubles, so do we really need a lot of different ways to bid spades? Do we need to show two suiters here? Do we need to offer the preemptor a choice between 4♠ and 3N? I do not like the idea of allowing my LHO to double the transfer call.
If you want to make one tweak, play redouble as some sort of McCabe, where opener bids the next 'strain' (here 3♥). It might be useful for a runout when you don;t trust partner's preempts, or you suspect your suit will play better. Redouble as natural makes little sense to me. All it does it slow down the opponents.
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Posted 2011-January-12, 18:56
Two things, is 3S forcing after opponents have dbl prd 3D pre-empt in my sys. Answer is no... forcing to what? 4D? I cant see the point in that sry, if u can enlighten me in this pls do so 
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And would i bid 3S over 3D...depends what u mean aggressive style in first hand and what 3S means after dbl, if it means shut up i dont have diamonds yes i would, dont wanna hear 4D though.
.And would i bid 3S over 3D...depends what u mean aggressive style in first hand and what 3S means after dbl, if it means shut up i dont have diamonds yes i would, dont wanna hear 4D though.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 00:13
tolvyrj, on 2011-January-12, 18:56, said:
Two things, is 3S forcing after opponents have dbl prd 3D pre-empt in my sys. Answer is no... forcing to what? 4D? I cant see the point in that sry, if u can enlighten me in this pls do so .
And would i bid 3S over 3D...depends what u mean aggressive style in first hand and what 3S means after dbl, if it means shut up i dont have diamonds yes i would, dont wanna hear 4D though.
.And would i bid 3S over 3D...depends what u mean aggressive style in first hand and what 3S means after dbl, if it means shut up i dont have diamonds yes i would, dont wanna hear 4D though.
Forcing doesnt necesarilly mean "strong hand" here. But you may have 5 cards ♠ and 3-4 cards ♦ for example with a hand that can bid 5♦ as a save. However it can be a cheaper save vs 4♥ to be able to bid 4♠ if we have fit. Not only saving hands but also hands where u have 13-14 hcp and can easily make 4♠ (again with ♦ support and some shape) if pd has a fit.
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