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Never put an eight-card suit down in dummy (English) Premier League I

#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2010-September-12, 16:41

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1H-2D-P-??

3C now is forcing.

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Posted 2010-September-12, 17:08

No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible.
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Posted 2010-September-12, 20:16

Pass. Will certainly bid later IF I get the chance.
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Posted 2010-September-12, 20:43

That is a 9 card suit right? Just making sure I got the hand right and the thread title is a joke, or is the hand wrong?
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Posted 2010-September-13, 00:57

Good luck that we do not need to put a 8 card suit in dummy. :)
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Posted 2010-September-13, 02:00

jdonn, on Sep 13 2010, 02:43 AM, said:

That is a 9 card suit right? Just making sure I got the hand right and the thread title is a joke, or is the hand wrong?

You have nine, yes :P
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Posted 2010-September-13, 03:17

QJ106 its not great for dummy, but will have to be bid next round
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Posted 2010-September-13, 03:18

Agree with Fluffy.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-13, 04:05

Opps are likely to be cold for 4♠.

A 2♠ psyche comes to mind, but pard, who is bound to have like 3-4 of those, might take that a bit too seriously, so I'll just be terrible and all those bad adjectives and bid 5♣.
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Posted 2010-September-13, 04:51

JLOGIC, on Sep 12 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible.

You may well think it is terrible to bid at any vul, but I still feel I should clarify for you that we are at favourable :(
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Posted 2010-September-13, 05:47

I do not pass 2♦, particularly at these colors.
3♣ suits me fine trying to keep opponents out.
I will bid 3♣ and will insist on ♣ if necessary, at least up to the 5 level and I will not let the opponents play below the 5 level.
I doubt that ♣ bids will excite partner. If it does, opponents will have a very good fit in a major.
My guess is that on average even 5♣ will produce less undertricks than 2♦

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Posted 2010-September-13, 12:41

MickyB, on Sep 13 2010, 05:51 AM, said:

JLOGIC, on Sep 12 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible.

You may well think it is terrible to bid at any vul, but I still feel I should clarify for you that we are at favourable :D

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Posted 2010-September-13, 12:57

I am constrained by system here - my advances at the 3-level or higher are all fit bids. That means I have to pass now and bid an appropriate number of clubs later.

In the absence of any agreements about fit bids in the way, 5C now looks sensible - more descriptive than 3C begging partner to repeat his diamonds again, anyway.
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Posted 2010-September-13, 12:59

Fun, but I'd like to understand a bit more about why 5C is a bad idea.
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Posted 2010-September-13, 15:30

Now let's get real and mastermind the auction a little bit since we are at favorable and this nine card suit is making our license to steal burn a hole in our pocket. I presume the passers will be ready to take action after the auction continues ...P-(X)-P-(P); ??? Now is anybody selling out for less than 4♣ or maybe 5♣. Now what if we do it beforehand to make life miserable on not only on RHO but the probable powerhouse hand LHO is holding. How badly are we masterminding this auction? Partner could of course have the 20HCP 2♦ overcall that looks to be standard on BBF. IMV this just looks like a high variance decision between pass and 5♣ either of which could work out well.
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Posted 2010-September-13, 15:33

Pict, on Sep 13 2010, 06:59 PM, said:

Fun, but I'd like to understand a bit more about why 5C is a bad idea.

Cos even if its the right contract, you will most likelly play 6 then.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 00:36

5♣.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 10:41

Seems like 5♣ to me, unless you think that pard will interpret it as exclusion KC :)...
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Posted 2010-September-14, 18:36

Here is why 5♣ is a bad idea:

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The passers will go down two in 2♦. The 3♣ bidders will go down one or two in 4♣, but they won't be doubled. The opponents can make a part score.

None of this is really all that surprising after the auction begins as it has begun. I had some sympathy with our team-mates, because at their table West began with a strong club, North showed spades and diamonds and any strength, and East showed some values, so South hadn't much idea what the right approach was. Minus 500 did not compare well with minus 110 at our table when 3♣ (which was not forcing) was passed out and allowed to make, but it wouldn't have compared very well with plus 50 either.

In the natural auction given, however, if 3♣ is forcing then pass is indeed a "no-brainer". I reserve judgement as to the quantity of brains required to play 3♣ as showing a diamond fit, but I express no such reservations regarding a jump to 5♣. As Jeremy Flint so aptly put it, why squeal before you are hurt?
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Posted 2010-September-14, 22:05

Wow I agree 100 % with dburn, a complete first. Cheers!
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