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#1 User is offline   kvar 

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Posted 2010-August-09, 10:11

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♦-X
P-2♦-P-2♥
P-?

Do you agree with the 2♦ bid? Now what? If you don't pass with this hand, is there a hand you would pass with after cuebidding the previous round?
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Posted 2010-August-09, 10:15

Cue and pass seems right.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 10:17

depends on agreement:)

in N Europe the 2♦ bid doesn't promise much and this would not even be a minimum. they would bid 2♦ and then pass.

in N America most people play that the 2♦ forces to game or suit agreement. Hence 2♥ is forcing and this hand bids 3♥.

I am unsure about other parts of the world but I think the Netherlands and France are also in the N Europe camp as is maybe Italy, so maybe I should just delete the N in my second paragraph.

As for me, I think both approaches are playable and I don't know which I prefer. I even played that a cue is GF and that also works OK even if it's clearly inferior. I prefer all three approaches to not knowing how forcing the cue is. B)
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Posted 2010-August-09, 10:31

Very nice post, Csaba, but you are a passed hand
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Posted 2010-August-09, 10:42

gwnn, on Aug 9 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

in N America most people play that the 2♦ forces to game or suit agreement. Hence 2♥ is forcing and this hand bids 3♥.


This is probably true of most people here. But, I am not sure if it is true of most strong pairs. Especially when advancer has passed originally.

Not claiming to be "strong", but years of discussion with people who are seems to lean toward the "N Europe" style, and strong desire to find an eight-card fit for a better plus, when it is likely our hand. Tho O.P. hand is certainly near the top for cue and pass, but doubler knows the range, too. If he bids only 2H, we should keep our plus.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 11:01

Gwnn nailed it, and it doesn't matter that the cuebidder is a passed hand as far as when the cuebid is forcing to game or suit agreement. The doubler is still unlimited and has to know if he can bid 2♥ on a strong hand or not.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 11:08

I would have thought it unusual for the cue to be forcing *to game* by a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 11:09

Yes that part was not applicable to this sequence. sorry everyone for the confusion :)
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