[gwnn]

don't think 2♥ or 3♥ is perfect, but I'd never pass. of course 3♥ is slightly crazy though. Particularly if I was playing with clone gwnn who sometimes raises 3M to 4M on a weak notrump because he thinks sometimes it magically makes (which is true actually)

@eyhung: awm asked a question and Tyler answered it. it was a very nice textbook example of basic human communication. I think you needlessly interfered with less than happy results.

[awm]

I don't have any issues with any of the posts in this thread. It's perfectly valid to mention your preferred style in your partnerships, as long as it fits the general framework of natural preempts (i.e. I don't want to hear that this is an obvious 2♦ multi bid, or that you can't bid 2♥ on this hand because that's flannery).

Certainly part of the question is about what you'd expect in a partnership without formal discussion of the issue, but now that this has happened maybe Elianna and her partner want to have some discussion of preempt style... In that context knowing what people like in their regular partnerships is just as useful as knowing what people would expect opposite a "random expert."

[gwnn]

Next time I open a thread I will add "plz if you play a suboptimal style then do me a favour and don't post". That will teach people like TylerE.

[655321]

If I may be a pedant, the poster receiving instructions from the policeman wasn't TylerE but Dirk Kuijt.

[gwnn]

655321, on Aug 4 2010, 12:37 AM, said:

If I may be a pedant, the poster receiving instructions from the policeman wasn't TylerE but Dirk Kuijt.

please, your definition of "pedant" is so far from standard that you really have no place in this thread.

[Dirk Kuijt]

ey

I think I really have only three options here:

1. Go poll at least a handful of real experts.

2. Give my own best opinion.

3. Silence.

Choice one will obviously get the best opinion. However, since I have no way of doing that, choice one is equivalent to choice three.

Choice two has the obvious flaw that I haven't won the Spingold (or anything in that league, or the next league down or the next one, depending on how you measure leagues), so why should anyone take any notice of my opinion, anyway? That is a fair point, and it is for that reason that I don't post opinions in the advanced and expert forum. That leads us to choice three.

Choice three has the obvious flaw that if people posting opinions on the forums are restricted to people who have won the Spingold or equivalent, there aren't going to be many opinions posted, period.

So, I tried my best. FWIW, and I understand that you have no way of knowing this, whenever I give an opinion that I know is at variance with general expert opinion (on bridge or any other subject), I label it as such. From the answers to this question, my opinion is at variance with general expert opinion; I promise you I didn't know that at the time.

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED

[Fluffy]

What about pulling to 3♥ after the double?, I wouln't have done so but I would find it a bit close.

[bluecalm]

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What about pulling to 3♥ after the double?, I wouln't have done so but I would find it a bit close.

I find it absolutely retarded.
If I think the hand is worth opening 2♥ and the pulling to 3♥ why the hell wouldn't I open 3♥ to begin with ?

[junyi_zhu]

Fluffy, on Aug 5 2010, 10:18 AM, said:

What about pulling to 3♥ after the double?, I wouln't have done so but I would find it a bit close.

It's actually not a very bad bid at all if one plays a wide range weak 2 opening and rather aggressive penalty doubles. Of course it requires partnership understandings.
Suppose partner shows about 15 HCP stiff or void in H, you actually don't mind playing 3H because this hand is very offensive oriented. Of course you may miss some occasional huge penalties, but that's also the way to get you to pretty good 4H when partner holds a good hand, short H when 3C x isn't very profitable. Often, this 3C double may not be profitable if the overcaller holds very long clubs.

[P_Marlowe]

2H.

Playing with a stranger, I may go for 3H, which is only a slight stretch.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Elianna, on Aug 2 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

This hand is here because my partner screamed and yelled at me for opening 2♥. She (so NOT Adam, as he is very eager for me to point out) was very displeased when the opponent overcalled 3C over this, and she doubled with Axxx x AKxx Axxx and 3C made.

She made statements along the lines of it being a failure to play bridge if I open this hand 2♥ (instead of the pass that she wanted) and that she's never going to bid over my preempts again.

Ok, which 5 tricks does she have to beat 3C?

She basically assumes, that you have the Ace of hearts, make it
KQJxxx with a 6332 distribution and 3C is still likely making, will she
still yell?

And this assumes, we are playing MP, playing IMP the X is just garbage.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[awm]

junyi_zhu, on Aug 5 2010, 10:54 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 5 2010, 10:18 AM, said:

What about pulling to 3♥ after the double?, I wouln't have done so but I would find it a bit close.

It's actually not a very bad bid at all if one plays a wide range weak 2 opening and rather aggressive penalty doubles. Of course it requires partnership understandings.

Partner's shown a hand that wants to defend 3♣X. This is a decent hand, but often very short in hearts. Since partner has cards here, you certainly want to go plus on the board and bidding 3♥ could easily turn a plus into a minus.

Certainly it is possible that this hand is "so offensively oriented" that you want to play in 3♥ even when partner has shortage in hearts. But if this is true, you should probably have opened 3♥ to begin with. After all, partner having a good hand with short hearts is more or less the worst case for a preempt. Not only has partner shown such a hand, but she also indicated that she expects a good score from defending 3♣X. If you're removing this to 3♥.... you should've opened 3♥.

[blackshoe]

I'm a firm believer in disciplined preempts, and the hand doesn't fit any of my agreements, so I pass. If, otoh, my partner would expect that I might have this hand for a 2 or 3 bid, I'd bid it. But screaming at one's partner and claiming they have "failed to play bridge" for being unexpectedly undisciplined is way over the top.