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find the antidote because you already drink the poison!

Poll: so what? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

so what?

  1. I bid 6 hearts (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  2. pass, lead a spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. pass, lead a heart (6 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

  4. pass, lead a diamond (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  5. pass, lead a club (1 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

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#21 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2010-February-10, 15:50

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 09:18 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 03:06 PM, said:

So when you wrote "X of 5 is totally idiotic" you meant "this isn't a 2 opening"?

well it is IMO only but yes and if you think it is a 2 hand then it is idiotic to play forcing pass in this situation.

Sorry to labour this point, but when you said "X of 5 is totally idiotic" did you mean "Given the agreement that pass is forcing, and given that West had opened 2 on x KQxxxx xxx xxx, it would be totally idiotic to double 5"? Or did you mean something else?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-February-10, 17:13

Fluffy, on Feb 10 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

AJ
AJxxx
Q98x
Jx


you are vulnerable in 4th position

(pass)-2-(4)-5
(5)-X-(XX)


You have the ftable eeling that partner doubled because pass would be forcing, after reminding you to pass for the next 5 boards in competition what do you do?

P -- the lead problem might be tougher though.

Assuming sane opps, the 4 bidder must be void in s (742, 832).

If pard's X is based on say AQX of (besides values), we might very well be leading s into declarer's AKJX.

So, I am on lead, I would try a to see what dummy looks like...BTW, would pard X with a void in this situation?
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Posted 2010-February-10, 17:26

akhare, on Feb 11 2010, 01:13 AM, said:

Assuming sane opps, the 4 bidder must be void in s (742, 832).

Huh, where does that come from? Certainly there are hands with a singleton heart that would bid 4 over 2.
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Posted 2010-February-10, 18:05

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 07:29 PM, said:

Fluffy, did you really mean that your reason for believing that partner thinks this a forcing-pass auction is "table feel"? If so, that can only have come from partner, so you have to treat this feeling as unauthorised information. The unauthorised information suggests bidding over passing, so you're obliged to pass.

playing with screens, my table feeling comes from RHO's face and redouble, and our problems in the past with similar sequences. However I ain't telling you that double was indeed weak, that was just my feeling a that time wich often proves wrong.
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Posted 2010-February-11, 06:43

diamond lead is a bit hopeless, where are you getting your 3 tricks? this time it at least stopped the overtrick



I led a club thinking that my only hope was to find partner with A. I didn't even consider 6 hearts at the table, but it was the antidote, with a good guess you will collect only -500 losing 1 IMP to -480 at the other table.

diamond lead -1000
other lead -1200
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Posted 2010-February-11, 15:36

MFA, on Feb 10 2010, 06:26 PM, said:

akhare, on Feb 11 2010, 01:13 AM, said:

Assuming sane opps, the 4 bidder must be void in s (742, 832).

Huh, where does that come from? Certainly there are hands with a singleton heart that would bid 4 over 2.

Don't you think that the XX strongly implies a void? The person making the XX bid 4 also...
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